Closing Thoughts and More to Come
Beta Game Headaches
Keeping in mind that this is a beta, and that this is why they have betas in the first place, anything I complain about here is likely to get written off in that vein. First, the web client is kind of a pain and the fact that your game always starts in a window is kind of annoying. Also, the fact that you cannot change game settings without first deploying and putting yourself and your team in danger really must be changed and makes me doubt that they were really thinking about the PC platform "first" in the case.
Still, for day one I found the game to be relatively stable (except with our issue with the Radeon HD 6970 mentioned before) and a hell of a lot of fun.
Performance
Both NVIDIA and AMD are going to love what Battlefield 3 does for their sales – and what it might have done already. I have gotten more emails and questions on our podcast as well as TWICH (This Week in Computer Hardware) about upgrades for BF3 in the last 3 months than I can remember so I know it is a hot topic for the gaming community. Based on my initial performance evaluation it seems that the worries were at least somewhat warranted – a GTX 560 Ti, currently selling for about $220, doesn’t quite cut it at "Ultra" quality settings in my book.
The GTX 580 and Radeon HD 6970 users should have no problem maxing out the settings in most cases though again we are still waiting for the 64 player maps to open so we can see how that affects PC performance.
Let’s take a look at current card pricing and performance:
- Card – Price – Indoor / Outdoor FPS
- ASUS MARS II Dual GTX 580 – $1400 – 85.8 / 74.6 FPS
- GeForce GTX 580 – $470 – 51.6 / 42.9 FPS
- Radeon HD 6970 – $350 – 50.5 / XX FPS
- GeForce GTX 570 – $320 – 49.3 / 36.9 FPS
- Radeon HD 6950 – $270 – 40.6 / 34.2 FPS
- GeForce GTX 560 Ti – $220 – 42.7 / 30.7 FPS
- Radeon HD 6870 – $180 – 34.3 / 27.8 FPS
The pricing stack of these cards tested puts an interesting spin on things. The GTX 570 and the Radeon HD 6970 seem to go nearly head-to-head in cost while the HD 6950 sits all by itself between the GTX 560 Ti and the GTX 570. Also, the HD 6870 is pretty big cost jump down from the GTX 560 Ti. If we look at a value of cost per FPS (dollar per frame per second) then this is the break down where the lower the cost, the better:
- Card – Indoor / Outdoor Cost (lower is better)
- ASUS MARS II Dual GTX 580 – $16.31 | $18.76
- GeForce GTX 580 – $8.37 | $10.95
- Radeon HD 6970 – $6.93 | XX
- GeForce GTX 570 – $6.49 | $8.67
- Radeon HD 6950 – $6.65 | $7.89
- GeForce GTX 560 Ti – $5.15 | $7.16
- Radeon HD 6870 – $5.24 | $6.47
Wow, this is really making things more complicated though, isn’t it? If we look at the HD 6970 and the GTX 570 on the outdoor scene (since the indoor section crashed on the AMD solution) you can see that the GTX 570 is actually a slightly better deal that both the HD 6970 and the HD 6950. On the outdoor scene that result flips and the HD 6950 is the better value than the GTX 570. The unfortunate part of this scale is that as the price goes down in our card selection it LOOKS like the best deal is the HD 6870 – our rating doesn’t take the playability of the experience into account. So this is just another factor of many to consider when it comes to making your purchase.
Overall I think the NVIDIA cards are currently offering just a bit better experience than the AMD cards due to my instability with the HD 6970 and the better multi-GPU scaling being reported with SLI than CrossFire. But with so much time between now and the final game release, that could shift or remain the same depending on the driver work each team puts in.
Update (9/29/11): We have new performance results for the GeForce GTX 460, Radeon HD 5850 and even the GeForce 9800 GT! Be sure you find those on the last page of our article!
Update 2 (9/30/11): We have some quick results from our time on the Caspian Border map as well if you are interested – check them out!
Image Quality
Battlefield 3 definitely looks good, though perhaps not as good as the trailers would have led us to believe. I’m not surprised by that. I am surprised by how good the game looks in not only Ultra settings but also in High and Medium settings. It appears to me that DICE decided to set the bar higher in terms of required hardware in order to not sacrifice on image quality in a large way.
Is that the right call? Hard to say, but if you wanted to play BF3 with image quality something like Battlefield 2 with older hardware, it looks like that might not be possible.
Also, I am hearing that it might be the case that DICE left out some of the most advanced image quality features for the beta and if that is the case, the Ultra quality levels might be harder on your hardware than we are showing here. If that is the case, we will update our testing and let you know!
Further Testing
We aren’t done testing Battlefield 3 yet – we have lots more to do. First, we’d like to see the larger maps and see how vehicles and having 64 players affects gaming performance. I’d also like to spend more time looking at how the processor affects BF3 performance and if upgrading in that direction will make much of a difference.
And obviously we want to test more cards – and we are open to suggestions in our comments below – including things like the GeForce 9800 GT for those of you REALLY long in tooth and maybe the GTX 260 and GTX 460 – both great sellers in their day. AMD has quite a backlog of cards to test out as well including the Radeon HD 5000 series including the HD 5800 cards that were the most popular of the last few years.
I also want to see just how much performance we can get back by dropping from Ultra to High settings, or to Medium, since we aren’t seeing THAT dramatic of image quality differences. I am guessing performance differences will be just as minimal, but if they aren’t it might make more sense to run at lower settings rather than Ultra.
Closing Thoughts
As you can see we have a lot more to do and not a lot of time to do it. So excuse us as we get back to playing some Batt, er I mean testing some Battlefield 3.
If you have any questions, comments or suggestions for our follow up to this story, please leave them in the comments below!!
Ultra w/anti-aliasing in this
Ultra w/anti-aliasing in this game is pretty pointless IMO. It does so much post-processing there aren’t many hard edges to soften… my AMD 955 w/stock 5850 gets well above 30fps outdoors, all ultra settings except for AA (which is turned off), and approaches 60 in the subway tunnels.
Performance on the big outdoor 64 player map is better than you would think, very comparable to outdoors on the Metro map, although it seems a lot buggier. I noticed many more problems with the destroyable buildings on that map, more stability issues, and occasional frame rate tanks with little rhyme or reason.
Good article, nice
Good article, nice testing.
Do you think i get normal frames on my system or is it a bit too low(outside)?:
i5 2500k @4.0ghz
corsair 2x2gb 1600
MSI GTX 570 Twin Frozr II/OC @750/1000
Min fps:34
Max:58
Avg:41
Everything is set to max – Ultra, 4xAA etc. Resolution 1920×1080
I used a dual geforce gt 540m
I used a dual geforce gt 540m with an Intel Core i7 2720QM (2.2GHz, turbo boost up to 3.1) and a 8Gb RAM and it passed 60 FPS
I used a dual geforce gt 540m
I used a dual geforce gt 540m with an Intel Core i7 2720QM (2.2GHz, turbo boost up to 3.1) and a 8Gb RAM and it passed 60 FPS on ultra (1920 x 1080)
I am currently running a
I am currently running a system with an E6600 Core 2 and 2X EVGA GTX460s SC 1GB in SLI, overclocked. All set on the graphics front. However, I have been waiting for Bulldozer to build a new system. With the desktop part release pushing further into the future, it may take longer than planned to build a new rig. Therefore, I very well may be using this CPU and sys at the release of BF3.
I am also curious what other Core 2 CPU users, who have good GPUs, are finding in terms of performance. I am downloading the beta now (along with the NVidia beta driver), so I will report results tomorrow.
Great, looking forward to
Great, looking forward to hearing your results!
When I was using that CPU for
When I was using that CPU for my Unreal Tournament 3 mods, I know it was bottlenecking my GTX 260 in that game. I believe I jumped from ~50FPS to ~90 in my level when going to a Core i7 920.
Not sure what type of luck you will have with it.
I get between 25-45fps on my
I get between 25-45fps on my GTS 450 at 1920×1080, and between 29-53fps in 1280x720fps. The rest of my computer consist of an AMD Athlon II x2 260 @3.2GHz, 8GB DDR3 1333MHz
ALso forgot to mention, I
ALso forgot to mention, I have it maxed with these frames.
hmmm very interesting indeed
hmmm very interesting indeed ..im running an skv 9800 slrdram with dual cooled cores at 9.7699 ghz …in ultra high mood i have noticed that after shooting an enemy to approximately 20% health… there seem to be pop stains on the characters pants around the buttox area…a detail that would have gone unoticed if ur not running maximus titan 7.29 mercess shader buffer.
i meant to say poop stains.
i meant to say poop stains.
I have a late 2010 MBP
I have a late 2010 MBP running Windows 7 x64, i7 processor, 2.66GHz, and 4GB RAM, and have the NVIDIA GT M330 graphics card. I’ve put my computer on performance mode, downloaded the 285.38 drivers, and turned all the graphics settings on low in the beta, but I’m still getting pretty choppy gameplay. Does anyone know a fix to this because I’ve heard of people getting smooth gameplay with the same system as me. Thanks!
Hey, right now i have an old
Hey, right now i have an old intel core 2 duo overclocked to 2.56 ghz and an nvidia gtx 260m. I can run that on low-medium with a decent frame rate. I will be getting a new computer before the year ends and was wondering how this would do. Intel Core i5 2500k @3.3ghz—nVidia gtx 560 2gb
if ur planning to get a
if ur planning to get a 560ti…then ull find its test results on this site
and i too have almost the same config as u ..except i got a 6870 which is a lil lower than the 560ti…
ive oc’d my 2500k to 4.7ghz..and i get 50-60 fps out @ ultra and 4xAA and i have a 4GB ram @ 1600mhz
so…as long as ur planning to overclock..ull be fine 🙂
Any results from overclocked
Any results from overclocked e8400’s with 4890 VGA
I’m @4.2Ghz and debating crossfire or Gtx 570,..
CPU upgrade to follow next year with IVY Bridge.
Thanks..
Great review you made Ryan
Great review you made Ryan thank you.
just to mention, I have XFX HD 6970 and I did not face the issue you mentioned regard the crash outside in metro! yes I face this on first day of releasing public beta but then everything went smooth. I play on 1080p. if you want some result regard this card on outside you are welcome. but keep in mind the max resolution is 1080p.
I’ve been running the BF3
I’ve been running the BF3 beta on a GTX 460 1GB MSI Hawk, slightly OC’ed to 850/1700/2000, a I5 2600k @ 4.3, and 8gb ddr 1600, and I get a average of 50-65 inside, and 40-50 outside. On 1920.. That’s of course with only light AA on, but still..
Hello, exelent review, but i
Hello, exelent review, but i have a question, i have the EVGA 460 2win card, do you think that i will be able to play this monster game in ultra setings with good frame rates, mi CPUits I7 920 OC to 3.4, 6 gbram 1726mhrz.
Hello, exelent review, but i
Hello, exelent review, but i have a question, i have the EVGA 460 2win card, do you think that i will be able to play this monster game in ultra setings with good frame rates, mi CPUits I7 920 OC to 3.4, 6 gbram 1726mhrz.
Dear,
Great review!
Detail: I
Dear,
Great review!
Detail: I think the last screen about nvidia and ati quality images are exchanged.
I’m assuming this because the ATI images are better.
I have a geforce 460 and
I have a geforce 460 and battlefield 3 runs very smooth. however, doesnt quite look like the textures are as good as BC2. I have a quad-core phenom II 965 OC up a hair to 3.7Ghz, 8GB RAM, and running at 1920X1080. Im sure it must be my graphics card that is limiting my texture and detail. any detailed advice on getting the quality better in settings would be greatly appreciated.just a temporary fix til I upgrade in a couple months. Thanks.
Danny
IM WORRIED! WILL BF3 RUN ON
IM WORRIED! WILL BF3 RUN ON THESE SPECIFICATIONS BELOW
Proccesor – Intel® Core™ i7-2630QM
• 2 GHz
Chipset – intel HM65
Memory Standard – 8GB 1333 MHz DDR3 (2 X 4 GB)
Graphics (worried!!) – ATI Radeon HD 6630 (1GB GDDR3)
WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK?????
amd looks much better and
amd looks much better and realistic to me
and amd much more detail
and amd much more detail defenatly