Closing Thoughts
We now have our complete lineup of Sandy Bridge-E processors reviewed starting with the Core i7-3960X Extreme Edition, followed by the Core i7-3930K and now the Core i3-3820 part that will sell for about a quarter of the price of the top SKU. I think that this new 3820 will be by far the most popular part but let’s see if that is the correct course for the market to take.
Performance
When you look at CPU performance, you still have to divide things up into "lightly threaded" and "heavily threaded" applications. You can think of the "light" class of applications to be things like LAME MP3 encoder or even iTunes while the "heavy" class consists of applications like Handbrake and rendering tools such as POV-Ray or CineBench. For lightly thread programs, the Core i7-3820 is going to be just as fast as the much more expensive Core i7-3960X and Core i7-3930K thanks to the generous base clock and Turbo Boost speeds that the CPU offers right out of the box. Take a look at our LAME MP3 test or our somewhat older Windows Media Encoder test; in both cases the Core i7-3820 was right there it the most expensive processors on the planet.
There are still cases, mostly centered on content creation and transcoding, where more cores are really taken advantage of, and in those areas the Core i7-3820 falls behind as expected since it has 50% fewer cores than the 3960X and 3930K parts. Still, this $285 CPU is able to put up quite a fight and beats out the performance offered by Intel’s other line of CPUs, the LGA1155 Sandy Bridge parts like the Core i7-2600K. What was previously the fastest current-generation CPU from Intel still sells for over $300 online making it more expensive individually but still potentially cheaper when paired with the appropriate motherboard.
All three Sandy Bridge-E: 3960X, 3930K, 3820
For those of you worried about overclocking, I think our testing shows that the i7-3820 can hold its own and hitting 4.63 GHz is more than enough for the majority of consumers. Also, that speed comes pretty easily thanks to the changes that Intel made with Sandy Bridge-E so the "partially locked" status of the CPU should only be a factor for those that are REALLY serious about the art of the overclock.
Platform Considerations
Taking cost out of the equation, there area couple things to consider when looking at buying the Core i7-3820 versus something like the Core i7-2600K. First, the SNB-E parts do NOT include support for QuickSync technology so software that can utilize it on LGA1155 parts are simply going to be using the CPU cores rather than the fixed function, and faster, implementation. Also, there is no integrated graphics on SNB-E, though this isn’t likely to be an issue for consumers that looking to spend $300 on a CPU for their own build. Chances are good you will be much more interested in a discrete graphics cards from AMD or NVIDIA.
Users that want more features in their system though will likely find the SNB-E more rewarding with support for 40 lanes of PCI Express as opposed to the 16 lanes found on the standard SNB processors. Also, with four memory channels, and many motherboards sporting 8 total DIMM slots, the X79-based motherboards will able to support as much as 32GB or 64GB very easily. Also keep in mind that the PCIe slots on the SNB-E motherboards are almost all going to support PCIe 3.0 speeds, so if that is a concern for you, take note.
The X79 chipset didn’t integrate USB 3.0 and doesn’t change the storage configuration directly though most board vendors are adding plenty more features to these boards as a way to add value (and price realistically) to the SNB-E.
Pricing and Availability
We have already shown this once before, but it bears repeating:
- Core i7-3930K (SNB-E) – $555
- Core i7-3820 (SNB-E) – $285
- Core i7-2700K (SNB) – $369
- Core i7-2600K (SNB) – $319
With the cost of the Core i7-3820 actually coming UNDER the price of the Core i7-2600K and the Core i7-2700K, you might be thinking it’s the best deal in processing today. And while that may be the case, it doesn’t tell the entire story. Let’s look at this way:
- SNB-E Platform
- Core i7-3820 – $285
- X79 Motherboard – $225
- 4 DIMMs – $75
- Cooler: $60
- Total: $645
- SNB Platform
- Core i7-2700K – $369
- Z68 Motherboard – $140
- 2 DIMMs – $35
- Total: $544
Now this is rather simplistic, but I just wanted to give you an overall view of what it would take to get started with a system of each platform. The LOWEST priced X79 motherboard available today is about $225 and you will need two more DIMMs to get the most performance out of the system. Also, because SNB-E CPUs don’t come with any cooler at all, the LGA1155 parts get another advantage there.
The total price difference then comes to about $100, in favor of the Sandy Bridge processors, if you are willing to use the stock cooler in the retail packaging. We could have made this more had we gone with one of the under $100 Z68 motherboard but those available at the $140 price range were closer in feature parity.
Also, the Core i7-3820 isn’t available as of this review and Intel would only give us the time frame of "1-2 months". You should be able to find it for sale online sometime in February.
Final Thoughts
Those debating between the Core i7-3820 and the Core i7-2700K then have to decide if the added memory support and additional PCIe bandwidth are worth the added cost. If you are a heavy multi-GPU user then that might be the case, otherwise we are kind of at a standstill. Motherboards based on the Z68 platform available now should be able to support Ivy Bridge in the coming months but in truth we don’t expect the processor portion of that upgrade to be particularly noteworthy – only the GPU side of the processor will see significant jumps. On the other hand, Ivy Bridge-E may or may not even actually use the LGA2011 socket, as Intel hasn’t confirmed, though all indicators show that it will.
So with similar remaining life spans for the sockets, deciding which one is right for you is rather difficult. Do you want more than the 16 lanes of PCIe that SNB offers? Do you want to make sure you’re ready for PCIe 3.0 speeds? Do you want larger memory capacities or have particular application scenarios that will utilize it? If so, the Core i7-3820 is going to be a great value for your next system build. If you answered no to those questions, or have a particular interest in processor graphics and QuickSync, then going with a lower cost Z68 platform looks like the way to go.
Either way, it is nice to have some competition in the processor field again, even if it comes only from Intel.
Great Work PCPER.
Great Work PCPER.
Very nice review. I will
Very nice review. I will admit makes me want to get it over the 2600K.
With regards to the review. I was wondering if there is a way to make the result charts more readable?
The main thing is better grouping of Intel and AMD cpus? I know this is more or less add the newest CPU at the top, but when I jump from page to page and try to compare it to other CPUs it makes it difficult to quickly compare between them.
Possible area of improvement is just colour code it. AMD green, Intel Blue, currently tested Red? Or any other colour scheme.
Beyond that I’m curious about the Blender benchmarks, especially with Blender 2.61 having better multithreading and new rendering engine called Cycles which is fully ray tracked engine unlike current.
What ever you guys do or not do I just want to say. You guys are doing an amazing job.
Polish Canuck – Prodeous.
Prodeous, thanks for the
Prodeous, thanks for the comments. I think you are right on the graphs and it is something we have tried to figure out in the past but honestly, my Excel-foo is just too weak… We’ll try again soon!
As for Blender, we are going to completely re-do our CPU test bed soon and I’m sure we’ll update it then.
I think this will be a decent
I think this will be a decent way to upgrade from my Q9650 🙂
Thanks for the great review!
Any thoughts on the continued
Any thoughts on the continued support of LGA 1155 vs 2011? In the long term, I’d think the 2011 platform is a better choice. You get PCI-E 3.0 for next gen GPUs, and a socket that potentially carries you onto a Ivy-E chip with 8-cores? A lot of speculation I’m sure.
Care to comment? btw love the podcast.
As a enthusiast, I think I
As a enthusiast, I think I like what I see in the SNB-E.
For my build later this year I was looking at the 2600K with a water cooler, a $220 Motherboard and populating all 4 DIMM slots. This processor will likely have me reevaluating what I do with this system as the x79 platform is more robust than the Z68.
Perhaps I will change my mind again after I see what Ivy Bridge brings to the table though.
Excellent review Ryan, and I have to agree with Prodeous both about the charts and the continued excellence.
Cheers,
Dreadteir
The high end SB-E processors
The high end SB-E processors are enough of a shitty value themselves, but this takes the cake. You’d have to be a grade A moron to buy this over something like a 2600K or 2700K. Either you have the money to blow on a 6core SB-E, or you don’t. This in between bullshit gets you SB performance and SB-E prices.
…with twice the memory
…with twice the memory bandwidth and more PCIe. It definitely fills a specific niche, but I’m not sure I would heckle a potential buyer as a ‘moron’.
Umm only an uneducated idiot
Umm only an uneducated idiot would say that. On a 2600k 0r 2700k your pci-e lanes have limited frequencies due to the very mild on chip intergrated graphics. I’ll explain this in layman’s terms… If you want to run multiple video/graphics cards your pci-e multipliers are limited to 8x/8x or 16x/4x if you use the SB-E chips without intergrated graphics you will be able to run 2 video/graphics cards @16x each and a third card @8x.Plus the SB-E chips fully support Pci-e 3.0 although regular SB chips are able to run pci-e 3.0 they do not fully support pci-e 3.0 because 3.0 came out much later than the release of the SB chips therefore they were not designed to run it.
Good review. I just wish
Good review. I just wish Intel would release this CPU before February
Excellent review and quite
Excellent review and quite the feather in the cap of Pcper as you are one of the few to review all three Sandy Bridge-E processors. In fact I know of no other at this time that has. Most so far have only reviewed the Core i7 3960X. I think Anandtech only has a review of the 3960X and now the 3820 too.
Personally I was waiting for C2 stepping but the Core i7 3820 looks to be quite reasonable once its released. I still feel like X79 motherboards are missing features though. I’d like to see an updated chipset that has the features we were expecting out of the X79 (12 Intel SATA ports 3G + 6G, native Intel SRT and so on).
The biggest issue for me with
The biggest issue for me with this chip is the TPD. 130w vs. 95w makes this a no go for me. The minimal gains vs. the 2600k are not woth the added power consumption, especially when overclocked.
This was a great review, I
This was a great review, I also have a question, I have a 990X,GTX480,GI Assassin Mobo, with GB revodrive, while my rig is not quite a year old it is fast, the fastest I’ve ever had do you think I would benefit from a upgrade or should I wait till the next round. I have moved up the ladder selling and buying so I can have a nice rig. I have almost a thousand movies and tens of thousands of songs and use my computer for encoding mostly and play skyrim and COD4, and BF3 ?
Awesome! Can’t wait to leave
Awesome! Can’t wait to leave the Core 2 Duo era. Sure, I’ve got a quad now but the rest of the PC will be five years in March.
I wonder what difference the RAM speeds will make (1600 vs 1333)… Photomatix doesn’t rely on CPU power as much as memory speed.
Just an FYI: your pricing
Just an FYI: your pricing column lists “(1k USD)”, which should obviously be just “(USD)”.
I imagine a lot of people who
I imagine a lot of people who are considering the 3820 are currently running i7 920 rigs. Could you add the 920 to the benchmarks for comparison? It might be helpful to see whether the upgrade is worth it or not.
I don’t think it’s worth it
I don’t think it’s worth it over 2600k, unless you plan to go 3930k soon.
Am I missing something, but
Am I missing something, but your charts show good metrics for
the Core i5 s, several times beating the i7’s. What’s the
answer? Channels? USB3? PCI?
SLI tests? Would have been
SLI tests? Would have been nice to see the difference between 3820 and 2600k w/ multi-GPU.
In Romania is listed as
In Romania is listed as “available for purchase” online at PcGarage.Price is exactly 300 euros.
http://www.pcgarage.ro/procesoare/intel/i7-3820-36ghz-box/
the Core i5 s, several times
the Core i5 s, several times beating the i7’s. What’s the