Summary Thus Far
We take Frame Rating to the GeForce GTX 690, GTX Titan and Radeon HD 7990 / 7970s CrossFire!!
Because of the complexity and sheer amount of data we have gathered using our Frame Rating performance methodology, we are breaking it up into several articles that each feature different GPU comparisons. Here is the schedule:
- 3/27: Frame Rating Dissected: Full Details on Capture-based Graphics Performance Testing
- 3/27: Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition vs GeForce GTX 680 (Single and Dual GPU)
- 3/30: AMD Radeon HD 7990 vs GeForce GTX 690 vs GeForce GTX Titan
- 4/2: Radeon HD 7950 vs GeForce GTX 660 Ti (Single and Dual GPU)
- 4/5: Radeon HD 7870 GHz Edition vs GeForce GTX 660 (Single and Dual GPU)
Welcome to the second in our intial series of articles focusing on Frame Rating, our new graphics and GPU performance technology that drastically changes how the community looks at single and multi-GPU performance. In the article we are going to be focusing on a different set of graphics cards, the highest performing single card options on the market including the GeForce GTX 690 4GB dual-GK104 card, the GeForce GTX Titan 6GB GK110-based monster as well as the Radeon HD 7990, though in an emulated form. The HD 7990 was only recently officially announced by AMD at this years Game Developers Conference but the specifications of that hardware are going to closely match what we have here on the testbed today – a pair of retail Radeon HD 7970s in CrossFire.
Will the GTX Titan look as good in Frame Rating as it did upon its release?
If you are just joining this article series today, you have missed a lot! If nothing else you should read our initial full release article that details everything about the Frame Rating methodology and why we are making this change to begin with. In short, we are moving away from using FRAPS for average frame rates or even frame times and instead are using a secondary hardware capture system to record all the frames of our game play as they would be displayed to the gamer, then doing post-process analyzation on that recorded file to measure real world performance.
Because FRAPS measures frame times at a different point in the game pipeline (closer to the game engine) its results can vary dramatically from what is presented to the end user on their display. Frame Rating solves that problem by recording video through a dual-link DVI capture card that emulates a monitor to the testing system and by simply applying a unique overlay color on each produced frame from the game, we can gather a new kind of information that tells a very unique story.
The capture card that makes all of this work possible.
I don't want to spend too much time on this part of the story here as I already wrote a solid 16,000 words on the topic in our first article and I think you'll really find the results fascinating. So, please check out my first article on the topic if you have any questions before diving into these results today!
| Test System Setup | |
| CPU | Intel Core i7-3960X Sandy Bridge-E |
| Motherboard | ASUS P9X79 Deluxe |
| Memory | Corsair Dominator DDR3-1600 16GB |
| Hard Drive | OCZ Agility 4 256GB SSD |
| Sound Card | On-board |
| Graphics Card |
NVIDIA GeForce GTX TITAN 6GB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 690 4GB AMD Radeon HD 7970 CrossFire 3GB |
| Graphics Drivers |
AMD: 13.2 beta 7 NVIDIA: 314.07 beta (GTX 690) NVIDIA: 314.09 beta (GTX TITAN) |
| Power Supply | Corsair AX1200i |
| Operating System | Windows 8 Pro x64 |
On to the results!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8HVQXkeU8U&list=PLLpjKzWIuEfmHcyTF7Qxuh1gIZoF3pxWS&index=1
^
Battlefield 4 running at 60FPS, 3K resolution on an AMD Radeon 7990.
PCPER=Fail!
What does that video have
What does that video have anything to do with this article?
According to the auther
According to the auther 7970×2 is bad, yet they are playing nicely!
I still see some very little
I still see some very little hiccups throughout the video. Not saying it can’t be acceptable for anyone, but there are people, who would like better fluidity than this.
I still see some very little
I still see some very little hiccups throughout the video. Not saying it can’t be acceptable for anyone, but there are people, who would like better fluidity than this.
AMD: 13.2 beta 7????
Catalyst
AMD: 13.2 beta 7????
Catalyst 13.2 Beta 7 is from 2/26/2013
The latest drivers are Catalyst 13.3 Beta3, dated 3/20/2013
As said a few times, it takes
As said a few times, it takes time to do all the data collecting, analysis, graphs and write an article. They used the most up to date drivers when they started the benchmarking.
Do you think this stuff is done instantly?
But this, οf сourse,” you’d
But this, οf сourse,” you’d only be partly correct. One Missed ShotIn the beginning, it’s common to miss a lot of ground to cover. Remember to give your class a reward. We get into the caves. Some people own swamp buying used cars with bad credits as a form of outdoors competition for the working line. 4mpg and if you want the wheels to look sporty, classy, or clean. Signal services are usually offered on a monthly basis.
My site … autocrat
Honestly running RadeonPro
Honestly running RadeonPro with DFC and vsync fixs most of these games. I have played sleeping dogs at 60fps and it was glass smooth with RP. Most of the CFX problems are without vsync on – which in my opinion is not an option. So i’ve never had these so called runt frames affecting my gaming by default. I’m playing crysis 3 atm with radeon pro DFC and vsync and its pure smoothness. Sure the current drivers are a problem for people who game without vsync but i don’t see why anybody would game without vsync.
Its interesting they recommend people not to buy AMD cards just because they can’t be bothered to run a 3rd party app. Try suggesting things to fix the issue rather would help gamers more.
That wouldn’t please the
That wouldn’t please the sponsor (nvidia).
Well, then, we need a totally
Well, then, we need a totally new set of benchmarks for the past year plus, where 60FPS with vsync on is the bench, and either it does at the settings or it doesn’t.
That means scrapping every single claim 7970 cf overclocked or whatever has higher fps, just throw ALL OF IT OUT FOREVER.
Thanks for “the solution”, and you’re welcome for the “implications of your solution” mr amd fan boy.
All the AMD fanboys are
All the AMD fanboys are pissed. Oh no.
which put you in the same
which put you in the same category.. a fan boy 😐
WRONG.
Noticing the lying
WRONG.
Noticing the lying liars and their rager reactionary scunge brains borging out about the calamity of their full facepalm after YEARS of hearing them scream two amd crossfire For The Win !!!!!! does not a fanboy maketh.
which put you in the same
which put you in the same category.. a fan boy 😐
As I said at Techreport, when
As I said at Techreport, when it comes to single GPU, framerates are all that matter on most occasions, so don’t be put off buying a 7870/7950/7970 because of XF results.
I have a single 7950 and it’s killer
That’s fine but all those
That’s fine but all those years of squacking future proof and buy one amd card now because in the near future you can go with CF and have a huge boost when you need it….
BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH is what those endless YEARS of amd justifications now mean.
I tell you one thing, I noticed a year ago how some of these websites started shying away from dual card recommendations, which of course means they all had the info and inkling on this problem with amd crossfire, and no doubt nVidia was hammering their little eardrums and deep down inside they knew – not to mention when one of the did talk, they posted how CF failed in no less than 50% of the popular games they were using in their testing suites… it became IMPOSSIBLE to recommend CF with a clear conscience, but the fanboy in them made certain they included SLI in the “do not recommend” category as well.
This is what I saw develop, and there is no doubt why it went that way. When the crap underdog card is failing miserably but the cover is still not blown, make ceratin to cut down the competition, too, that way, you never really fully recommended the failing dirty amd dog double fps lying CF setups…
It’s so sad. It’s so facepalm. It has made every single site that does reviews look like clueless fools, and in fact, they WERE for YEARS.
Credibility ?
Not so much, so very little. So very, very little.
Damn, I tried registering for
Damn, I tried registering for the forums and I couldn’t do it.
So where is the “3/31: Radeon
So where is the “3/31: Radeon HD 7950 vs GeForce GTX 660 Ti (Single and Dual GPU)” review?
It is 4/1 and I do not see it up on the site.
Sometimes life does not
Sometimes life does not always cooperate with review release schedules. I should know, I'm the champ when it comes to that!
Nvidia looks good under frame
Nvidia looks good under frame rating with either single GPU or multi-GPU. How does Nvidia do with Physx enabled?
Just wondering…
Ryan, thank you so much for
Ryan, thank you so much for bringing this issue to light!
I have an Xfire-7970 setup and because of your research, AMD will have no choice but to remedy this problem (eventually).
Thank you, your hard work is greatly appreciated.
Ryan thanks for the very
Ryan thanks for the very detailed reviews.
I for one would also like to see “Frame Rating” reviews done for all single GPUs, both discrete and integrated. That includes AMD APUs, Intel’s HD series, Nvidia’s Optimus, AMD’s Endora. Laptop & Desktop both Single GPU and/or CF/SLI.
Since we can now see that Fraps numbers can be suspect and that drivers/implementation can result in runts/missing frames I want to see if any of the above mentioned systems result in lower actual FPS than the Fraps number shows.
Amazing work Ryan. Much
Amazing work Ryan. Much appreciated. PCper is now my #1 site for hardare reviews. Can you possibly show Titan SLI frame times in the future. Thanks bud.
Where is the next part?
3/31:
Where is the next part?
3/31: Radeon HD 7950 vs GeForce GTX 660 Ti (Single and Dual GPU)
At the Skyrim game. Fraps FPS
At the Skyrim game. Fraps FPS and observed FPS equal for AMD radeon cars! however of frame time variance. How can we explaining that situation? Skyrim used DX9.0! is answer it?
It seems to AMDs drivers problem at the only on the DX10-DX11
In the meantime, I am using gtx690 in my system.I was just wondering cause of the problem.
Great article guys! I hope
Great article guys! I hope AMD is watching and are doing all they can to fix this issue that has been known for years.
I am amazed how many ignorant people actually post in this discussion. It seems that even hard facts aren’t good enough for some dumb people. 😐
I prefer AMD cards (Though I run a GTX670 at the moment) and hope they fix this ASAP.
I would have thought for sure
I would have thought for sure this article
was going to be testing the ASUS ARES II or the Powercolor Devil 13, to see if there’s a diffidence between CF & single board Dual GPU’s.
because we already know clearly how 2 7970 would perform in CF.
puzzled.
AMD gets OWNED. That’s why
AMD gets OWNED. That’s why the nvidia prices are so high, too high. Gives a break Nvidia!
Don’t forget the 10% IQ cheat
Don’t forget the 10% IQ cheat AMD introduced with their 10.10 catalyst and initial 6000 series cards, porting it back to all of the 5000 series.
We don’t hear about that because it’s still ongoing.
So we have the up to 10% IQ cheating, now add in the 100% cf frame rate cheating… what are we up to in terms of percentage of fps epic fail by amd ?
Who even wants to say, it’s so humiliating.
I just read the ENTIRE
I just read the ENTIRE thread, 33 pages, at Overclock:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1377275/pcper-frame-rating-comparison-hd-7950-crossfire-vs-gtx-660-ti-sli-full-review/320
The amd fanboys are in TOTAL DENIAL, and there are 2 posters who actually read the articles or gave themselves clue one by studying just a bit.
The ENTIRE 33 pages of comments there has not ONE, I repeat NOT ONE comment that points out in CF in the game they are moaning about that EVERY OTHER FRAME WAS ENTIRELY DROPPED FROM THE END USER SCREEN.
So there you have it – the fanboy brain wins out over all other facts, including the often tried and true massive ignorance, total lack of reading, completely ignorant BLISS accompanied by the raging radeon fanboy screed “It just can’t be!”
So their tinfoil DUNCE caps are lofted upon their heads in FULL SPLENDOR. It is absolutely amazing.
It also appears that just one commenter on the entire 33 pages had any inkling that the frames presented to the gamer were ALL CAPTURED in real time, and could be gone through manually frame by frame by frame SO THAT NO OVERLAY FCAT CREATED BY NVIDIA COULD BE A BIAS ISSUE !
So expect, I’d say, about 5 or 10 YEARS before the amd fanboys finally admit runt and dropped frames ever even happened, and 5 or 10 years from now they will repeat the current refrain: ” AMD driver problems are a thing of the past and the drivers are equal with nVidia, whose had problems too ! > …link….(from 5 years ago).
Just remember people, the average human is a C grade, and half the people are DUMBER THAN THAT !
So you have to spell it out EXPLICITLY to them, directly, in simple retard friendly terms… then explain how their conspiracy theory about it’s all one big lie is not actually possible, because there are things called FACTS.
AMD was DROPPING EVERY OTHER FRAME IN CROSSFIRE IN SOME GAMES. THAT MEANS THAT FRAPS FPS WAS 100% TOO HIGH! CUT IT IN HALF, YOU HAVE THE EQUIVALENT OF “JUST ONE CARD”.
ADD IN THE STUTTER FROM EVERY OTHER FRAME BEING DROPPED OR TOTALLY RUNTED, AND GUESS WHAT AMD FANBOYS ?
If you are a low C, or below that, or a B, or claim to be an A student, who cares, the amd fanboy in you will win out over all the collective intelligent consciousness in the entire multiverse.
Hey, calm down … you’re
Hey, calm down … you’re going to need new keyboard too soon.
Hey, calm down … you’re
Hey, calm down … you’re going to need new keyboard too soon.
And reading 33 pages? You must have been very angry boy.
For the experienced diver –
For the experienced diver – the deep sites with their strong currents and huge fish make are clear favorites.
Who needs that stupid overload of eating tools on a western restaurant
table which only serves to confuse and embarrass the uninitiated and succeeds to seriously annoy me.
When arriving there it can seem like a bit of a culture shock,
if you’ve never been to Asia before you will be amazed by the craziness of
the city.
Also visit my website: khao yai day tour
Thank you ryan,
Thank you ryan, groundbreaking work !
If I had a pound for every
If I had a pound for every time some one told me that the latest AMD driver fixes everything I would be a millionaire.
Funny really as it’s impossible to believe when you have AMD cards shoved in your system yet some one doesn’t seem to spot all of the issues.
So this is the cave where
So this is the cave where nVidia fanboys sleep?
I just love how many fine
I just love how many fine young crossfire combos owners come here and in such a polite way tell us story about all their many many years long unsolved issues with their expensive, totally useless gfx configs…..I don’t know should I laugh when sucha nicely mannered “AMD owners” don’t react in more believable way to all this bashing from green side. Amuzing masquerade. Many red masks with green smiles underneath.