The AMD Radeon R9 280X
AMD’s new lineup includes a lot of familiar faces but a lot of new, lower prics as well.
Today marks the first step in an introduction of an entire AMD Radeon discrete graphics product stack revamp. Between now and the end of 2013, AMD will completely cycle out Radeon HD 7000 cards and replace them with a new branding scheme. The "HD" branding is on its way out and it makes sense. Consumers have moved on to UHD and WQXGA display standards; HD is no longer extraordinary.
But I want to be very clear and upfront with you: today is not the day that you’ll learn about the new Hawaii GPU that AMD promised would dominate the performance per dollar metrics for enthusiasts. The Radeon R9 290X will be a little bit down the road. Instead, today’s review will look at three other Radeon products: the R9 280X, the R9 270X and the R7 260X. None of these products are really “new”, though, and instead must be considered rebrands or repositionings.
There are some changes to discuss with each of these products, including clock speeds and more importantly, pricing. Some are specific to a certain model, others are more universal (such as updated Eyefinity display support).
Let’s start with the R9 280X.
AMD Radeon R9 280X – Tahiti aging gracefully
The AMD Radeon R9 280X is built from the exact same ASIC (chip) that powers the previous Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition with a few modest changes. The core clock speed of the R9 280X is actually a little bit lower at reference rates than the Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition by about 50 MHz. The R9 280X GPU will hit a 1.0 GHz rate while the previous model was reaching 1.05 GHz; not much a change but an interesting decision to be made for sure.
Because of that speed difference the R9 280X has a lower peak compute capability of 4.1 TFLOPS compared to the 4.3 TFLOPS of the 7970 GHz. The memory clock speed is the same (6.0 Gbps) and the board power is the same, with a typical peak of 250 watts.
Everything else remains the same as you know it on the HD 7970 cards. There are 2048 stream processors in the Tahiti version of AMD’s GCN (Graphics Core Next), 128 texture units and 32 ROPs all being pushed by a 384-bit GDDR5 memory bus running at 6.0 GHz. Yep, still with a 3GB frame buffer.
The most important change for the R9 280X is price. Starting at $299 for reference clocked models this is essentially giving Tahiti a discount of $60-80 compared to prices from just last month. (BTW, you will likely find deals on Radeon HD 7000-series cards while inventory is cleared, so you might want to jump on them.) Let’s also consider than the Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition card launched in June 2012 with a price of $499, $200 higher than the cost for essentially the same product today.
Because we are basically looking at the same ASIC and board design for the R9 280X as with the HD 7970, board partners like ASUS are ready with custom designs out of the gate.
For our R9 280X testing AMD sent along an ASUS TOP model that comes overclocked out of the box at 1070 MHz core and 1600 MHz memory. Obviously for our testing today I turned down the clock speeds to match reference specifications but we'll spend more time with the ASUS model in an upcoming review.
The R9 280X requires a 6+8 power configuration and ASUS has made the decision to turn them around 180 degrees to keep the cooler shroud from interfering with installation or removal.
The output configuration is ideal with the ASUS R9 280X as well – with a pair of DL-DVI outputs, a full-size HDMI port and a full-size DisplayPort.
AMD Radeon R9 270X – Pitcairn to Curacao
The next card down the updated AMD Radeon products stack is the R9 270X and will hit a price point of $199. The analog card from the previous product stack is the Radeon HD 7870 GHz Edition, otherwise known as the Pitcairn GPU. The reference card I received from AMD actually had a label on the back that indicated a new ASIC name of Curacao, though when prodded for an answer AMD finally admitted that it was in fact NOT a new chip at all. Oh well, take that for what you will.
The core clock speed of the R9 270X is 1.05 GHz (up to, thanks to Turbo clocks) which gives it a 50 MHz increase over the HD 7870 GHz Edition. As a result, the theoretical peak performance jumps a bit from 2.56 TFLOPS to 2.69 TFLOPS as does board power from 175 watts to 180 watts. The 256-bit memory bus is running at a noticeably higher speed though: up to 5.6 GHz from 4.8 GHz which should push memory bandwidth up to 179.2 GB/s.
But again, the other specifications remain the same. That means a 2.8 billion transistor 28nm chip with 1280 shader cores, 80 texture units and 32 ROPs. The memory bus is backed by 2GB of frame buffer by default but you can expect to see 4GB options for about $30 more.
I mentioned the price of $199 above, and while that is lower than the HD 7870 GHz Edition was selling for last month, it’s not by much. A quick look at PC Part Picker showed several models selling for $215-225 in early September.
Our AMD Radeon R9 270X testing was done with a reference sample that keeps the rather nice black/red design theme shown off at the GPU14 tech day event and live stream last month.
The 270X only requires a 6+6 configuration for power.
AMD is definitely pushing this updated output configuration as the R9 270X reference card uses it as well.
isn’t it 512 bit for Memory
isn’t it 512 bit for Memory interface (or something)??
That’s the 290x which will be
That’s the 290x which will be unveiled a little later on.
Has anyone not figured out
Has anyone not figured out that Bioshock uses more then 2 gigs of ram yet at ultra? Those performance hitches are the ram swapping constantly. I have gtx 670 sli 2gb and a single gtx 770 4gb in two different systems. The gtx 770 plays completely hitch free on ultra using over 2.4 gigs at times smooth as butter. I have to drop texture quality and ambient occlusion to even get close to the same smooth results with my gtx 670 sli even though framerate is almost doubled. Why nvidia is even bothering with 2gb on high end cards is beyond me.
Thanks for the tip –
Thanks for the tip – hopefully this is something NVIDIA can address sooner rather than later.
Yes, memory is becoming a
Yes, memory is becoming a bigger issue all the time. In my case Rome Total War II. The rendering of myriads of objects has gotten to the point where the game points out the graphic memory inadequacy of my 1.5GB board and degrades the battle rendering accordingly. A title like this would invalidate some of these tests.
The skip the skip the frame
The skip the skip the frame rating explanation link on page 5 takes you to the 7990 review.
Also the transistor count on
Also the transistor count on the 7970 and the 280X is wrong is should be 4.3 billion not 2.8
Fixed this last night,
Fixed this last night, thanks!
Also on the 3DMark page, last
Also on the 3DMark page, last sentence…
“…it gets beat at the Normal preset by a $100 more expensive GPU.”
LESS expensive??
any release date specified
any release date specified yet?
Looks like 10/11.
Looks like 10/11.
this will be my first
this will be my first crossfire build. i currently already have a FX8350 and a HD7870. i will not be able to buy a second 7870 for at least 4 months;
If newegg is not selling the 7870 anymore could i pickup a R9 270x and crossfire it to a 7870?
they are the same GPU or is it locked to the same generation of card?
Why not just buy another
Why not just buy another 7870? They’re identical.
his question is related to
his question is related to the fact that 7870 may not be available by the time he has the money. discontinued basically.
I believe in the article Ryan
I believe in the article Ryan says that you can CrossFire the different generations of cards. So the R7 270X will be compatible with the HD 7870.
thanks, after you said this i
thanks, after you said this i went and read the pages i did not read. i found it on page 3.
Noticed your value for money
Noticed your value for money graphic doesn’t have the 7970?
An opps we forgot moment or Amd are big advertisers and we will help them make this relaunch of old cards seem exciting.
Clearly people with older cards not in the know could well purchase these cards as an update, when they are not.
You should be shouting from the roof tops this is a con job of the highest order.
Having said that there is no doubt they are a value option in their respective segments and as such should stand alone on that point alone. Not Rehashed.
This comment is in memory of my 7990 which caught fire and died three days ago. (Yes I do mean caught fire, flames and all)
RIP
you didn’t read the article.
you didn’t read the article. Ryan: “(BTW, you will likely find deals on Radeon HD 7000-series cards while inventory is cleared, so you might want to jump on them.)”
that is after clearly stating they are essentially the same card. with a different eyefinity setup.
Nvidia did the same thing: GTX760, GTX770 are not new.
but, at least you are accusing them of pay-offs from AMD, while most claim it’s Nvidia.
Yeah, we must be dong
Yeah, we must be dong something right if we are being accussed of pay offs from both sides hah!
Since you didn’t answer the
Since you didn’t answer the question then I take it the answer is yes?
it was answered, in the
it was answered, in the article
What was the question? The
What was the question? The 7970s are being EOLed so they will not be available at retail after stock is depleted afaik. It is detailed on the first page that the 280X is essentially the same card as the 7970…
As an AMD fan I was expecting
As an AMD fan I was expecting too much from these new cards. It turns out that we have nothing new and I would have to wait for Nvidia hopping that they will do something better. Disappointed….
A true AMD fan would know
A true AMD fan would know these are refreshed cards. Nothing new has come out as of yet.
Dayum, step up your fanboyism.
A true AMD fan is expecting
A true AMD fan is expecting more from his favorite company. If not better hardware at least a price war. Nothing happened. Now Nvidia is lowering the prices of Ti boost and 660. Instead of AMD being on the offensive you have Nvidia doing that. I guess AMD can not give fast HD7000 cards at lower prices than…. yesterday AND Mantle together to the PC user. It will be a disaster for Sony AND Microsoft in the end a disaster for AMD.
The R9 280X is competing with
The R9 280X is competing with the 770 and is 100$ cheaper. The 270X is competing with a card that costs 50$. Were you expecting them for free maybe?
R9 280X is the same as 7970,
R9 280X is the same as 7970, 270X is the same as 7870, 260X is the same+audio as the 7790 and the smaller cards are worst than 7770/7750/7730.
Also this is 2013, not 2012.
If you like buying last year’s cards with new names at the same prices they where yesterday, well, it’s your money, no problem for me.
again, Ryan stated that the
again, Ryan stated that the 280X is lower in price than the 7970 Ghz edition it replaces, compared to last months pricing.
it’s like you guys just want to hate, fuck reading
I am not talking about 280X
I am not talking about 280X only, but you are write, F%^& reading just go and find hate in a post that you don’t approve.
understood, the 280X was an
understood, the 280X was an example. the article lays out, how and what, they match up to (280X, 270X, 260X) from the previous cards (7970…etc.)
the article is clear that these are rebrands and that the 290X is the real card we are waiting on.
hence, RTFA
PS. Like the photo spread of
PS. Like the photo spread of the cards….size and shots.
Very good work.
Thanks!
Thanks!
I am looking at those slides
I am looking at those slides from AMD comparing R9 and R7 to HD5000 and HD6000 for 10 minutes and I try to understand what the hell is going on here? Was HD7000 never existed or is AMD feeling that it’s customers have the memory of a goldfish and no brain at all?
This 290(x) better not be
This 290(x) better not be stillborn, I really want some top-end competition.
me too. It has to directly
me too. It has to directly compete with the GTX780 or it’s a loss in my mind.
Something odd about these
Something odd about these prices, if the 280X is around $300 and the 290X is according to rumours around $600-700 what will fill the large gap? Could there be a 290X cutdown chip on the horizon?
I’ll bet the 290X come in at
I’ll bet the 290X come in at $500-550. no way they price it equal to higher than the GTX780.
unless, they are retarded.
That is my concern as well.
That is my concern as well. A huge price gap between the 280X and 290 series would leave a gap in product stack that NVIDIA could go after.
Did they really lower the
Did they really lower the price when you don’t get 3-4 AAA games now? NV cards still come with Batman Arkham Origins (AAA surely and not even out yet) and a few with Rise of the Triad also (evga’s come with both).
Not to mention only a fool buys stock when you can get 3 cards on newegg that are 100mhz faster for $249, and for $259 you can get the Zotac that is 140mhz faster and has memory OC’d 200mhz too over what you’re testing here. So basically add another 12% to your scores and remember 1 or 2 free games vs 0. When I can get an OC card that is the same price as a company’s set price I call that the new ref card 🙂 You wouldn’t buy a ref clocked card for the same price would you? $249 is the cheapest.
Evga, MSI, Gigabyte ($249) and Zotac at $259 at newegg, all are over 100mhz faster. Who buys these ref clocked cards? Newegg displays the speeds for everyone to see on one page. I’m surprise anyone can sell a ref clocked card. Zotac’s is 1111/1176 as opposed to your tested 980/1033 probably.
At the same time, I suspect most card makers will clock 280x the same as ghz editions anyway. Having said that, people should just buy OC’d 7970’s and take the games if they want AMD. But I don’t think the situation is quite as bad as said here considering the games and price for an OC 760 card out of the box (many brands). NV will just adjust prices, uplock a model or two and drop everything else down in a few weeks (before black friday no doubt). They have profits they can take a dip on, AMD cutting just means break even or losses yet again. AMD on the other hand owes $200mil note to GF in Dec which will likely wipe out any profits from these cards and xmas console sales. I hope for their sake, Hawaii is phenomenal.
There are rumors of a “R9
There are rumors of a "R9 290" but I haven't read much on the rumors except the name.
Tim, this would be cool. If
Tim, this would be cool. If the 290 competes with the 780 and the 290X with the titan. then the 290X price could be as high as they want, lol
Hrm, good to see that the
Hrm, good to see that the 280x is at least on par with the GTX 770. But doesn’t seem like i need to upgrade from my GTX 680 yet.
after 2 years we receive the
after 2 years we receive the same cards again. what a yawn fest.
except for the one I suspect
except for the one I suspect they have tested (290X), but an NDA keeps us from knowing the results.
Do you think that vendors
Do you think that vendors will continue selling the “soon to be forgotten about” cards such as the 7950? I don’t see any mention of the cards in between the cards “released” with this new series.
They will continue to sell
They will continue to sell them as long as they last but I think the HD 7000 series is soon going to MIA and EOL.
Let’s just hope that they get
Let’s just hope that they get a solid fix in place for Eyefinity CF before all of these cards are out of stock.
I’m wondering why they would
I’m wondering why they would release they’re slower-rehashed cards first and sit on the 290X/290. With the big games coming soon you would think they would be pushing them as much as possible now as the green team has nothing to counter. I hope I’m wrong but maybe AMDs upcoming flagship won’t compete directly with Nvidia’s existing top end chips, hmm, but that has to be wrong right. It’s got to be more powerful then the GTX 780, we hope for the sake of the consumer anyway. I guess AMD could be waiting to see what Nvidia is going to do about these new parts. Let’s play the waiting game again! Anyone know when we’ll have (exciting) news or release dates on new AMD top end card(s)?
Since the article mentions
Since the article mentions that the video outputs of the 280x have changed to similar to the 700 nvidia series,can a 280x do 120hz eyefinity with the use of only one dual link display port to dvi adapter -or is it the same like the 7970 which required 2 adapters-?
thanks
Interesting question, I’ll
Interesting question, I'll check!
Except for the 290X these
Except for the 290X these cards are very underwhelming. I was really hoping for something different instead of more 7000 cards.
It’s amazing 2 years later
It’s amazing 2 years later they still can’t get multi gpu configurations right but they can re release old hardware as new. None of the offerings can compete with sli 670s or higher. Gtx 700 series may not be quite the new but they directly replaced their elders with price while boosting performance. What good is releasing new cards with crossfire capabilities when it still doesn’t work.
What good is eyefinity when no amd card has enough power to play newer games at that resolution and multi gpu just plain don’t work correctly at any resolution. I always bought amd cards since it was ati when 3dfx folded. I always believed they were the better value but their has been trash support the past years and to believe they just recently acknowledged crossfire to be a problem is beyond me. So glad I spent saved a few extra and went with the company who provides real support and real fixes for their problems. Scary to think amd is leading us into a new console generation with sub-par gpus. Eeek
To be fair AMD has addressed
To be fair AMD has addressed frame pacing CrossFire issues on single monitor (2560×1600 and under) configurations since August 1st. It's not perfect yet, but it's much better than it was.
I don’t supposed they
I don’t supposed they mentioned anything about Crossfire + Eyefinity working correctly this time around?
I do mention that in the
I do mention that in the story. CF + EF still isn't fixed on these cards yet.
Ryan, your next article
Ryan, your next article should just be blank with instructions
to fill out the information as we please. That way we can all be satisfied we are glorious opinions.
LOL 😀
LOL 😀