Hybrid CrossFire that actually works
We got a hold of a new driver that enables dual graphics support (hybrid CrossFire) for the new Kaveri APU. Has frame pacing been fixed?
The road to redemption for AMD and its driver team has been a tough one. Since we first started to reveal the significant issues with AMD's CrossFire technology back in January of 2013 the Catalyst driver team has been hard at work on a fix, though I will freely admit it took longer to convince them that the issue was real than I would have liked. We saw the first steps of the fix released in August of 2013 with the release of the Catalyst 13.8 beta driver. It supported DX11 and DX10 games and resolutions of 2560×1600 and under (no Eyefinity support) but was obviously still less than perfect.
In October with the release of AMD's latest Hawaii GPU the company took another step by reorganizing the internal architecture of CrossFire on the chip level with XDMA. The result was frame pacing that worked on the R9 290X and R9 290 in all resolutions, including Eyefinity, though still left out older DX9 titles.
One thing that had not been addressed, at least not until today, was the issues that surrounded AMD's Hybrid CrossFire technology, now known as Dual Graphics. This is the ability for an AMD APU with integrated Radeon graphics to pair with a low cost discrete GPU to improve graphics performance and gaming experiences. Recently over at Tom's Hardware they discovered that Dual Graphics suffered from the exact same scaling issues as standard CrossFire; frame rates in FRAPS looked good but the actually perceived frame rate was much lower.
A little while ago a new driver made its way into my hands under the name of Catalyst 13.35 Beta X, a driver that promised to enable Dual Graphics frame pacing with Kaveri and R7 graphics cards. As you'll see in the coming pages, the fix definitely is working. And, as I learned after doing some more probing, the 13.35 driver is actually a much more important release than it at first seemed. Not only is Kaveri-based Dual Graphics frame pacing enabled, but Richland and Trinity are included as well. And even better, this driver will apparently fix resolutions higher than 2560×1600 in desktop graphics as well – something you can be sure we are checking on this week!
Just as we saw with the first implementation of Frame Pacing in the Catalyst Control Center, with the 13.35 Beta we are using today you'll find a new set of options in the Gaming section to enable or disable Frame Pacing. The default setting is On; which makes me smile inside every time I see it.
The hardware we are using is the same basic setup we used in my initial review of the AMD Kaveri A8-7600 APU review. That includes the A8-7600 APU, an Asrock A88X mini-ITX motherboard, 16GB of DDR3 2133 MHz memory and a Samsung 840 Pro SSD. Of course for our testing this time we needed a discrete card to enable Dual Graphics and we chose the MSI R7 250 OC Edition with 2GB of DDR3 memory. This card will run you an additional $89 or so on Amazon.com. You could use either the DDR3 or GDDR5 versions of the R7 250 as well as the R7 240, but in our talks with AMD they seemed to think the R7 250 DDR3 was the sweet spot for the CrossFire implementation.
Both the R7 250 and the A8-7600 actually share the same number of SIMD units at 384, otherwise known as 384 shader processors or 6 Compute Units based on the new nomenclature that AMD is creating. However, the MSI card is clocked at 1100 MHz while the GPU portions of the A8-7600 APU are running at only 720 MHz.
So the question is, has AMD truly fixed the issues with frame pacing with Dual Graphics configurations, once again making the budget gamer feature something worth recommending? Let's find out!
Hey Ryan,
Great write up.
Hey Ryan,
Great write up. Any chance of us getting an updated review with an a10 chip along with a comparison between gddr3 and gddr5?
Ryan, I second Marc’s
Ryan, I second Marc’s question. I just picked up an A10-7850k Black Edition and am curious to see what I can get away with using to maximize perfomance of this APU without overpaying for potential unused features (such as DDR5 vs DDR3).
Dear Author
There is
Dear Author
There is something wrong with your Math.
Battlefield 3 CF 45fps is 50% more to 30fps (solo), same goes to other titles
The gains are up to 50% not by 30% like you wrote.
Dear Author
There is
Dear Author
There is something wrong with your Math.
Battlefield 3 CF 45fps is 50% more to 30fps (solo), same goes to other titles
The gains are up to 50% not by 30% like you wrote.
Kaveri supports XDMA. Has
Kaveri supports XDMA. Has anybody tried to CF a Kaveri cpu with a R7 260? Ryan, do you have any plans to try this?
HEllo,
I have problems to
HEllo,
I have problems to setup Dual Graphics, I have the last beta drivers installed CCC 14.1
Motherboard: Asrock FM2A88X-ITX+
APU: AMD A10-7700K
GPU: Shappire R7 250
How I can set up this, os is also something with BIOS?
Thanks in advanve.
its really a shame that
its really a shame that people are two-faced when it comes to computer hardware. while a company is attempting to innovate the market, all the jackals say is ‘intel is faster and uses less power’ yet the ivy and haswell bridges are pretty much the same thing. but what do i know? its not like i watched 64-bit go through the useless stage when it first released.
it is funny to me how people are comparing a cost effective solution to a double cost build that runs better. get a life quiers, you know who you are.
A10-7850K + MSI R7 250 2GB
A10-7850K + MSI R7 250 2GB DDR3 + 8GB 1066 PC3-10700 VENGEANCE + 240GB SSD Hyper-X + ASUS A58M-A MB + 550W Antec PSU
AMD Catalyst Beta 14.7 and 14.4 stable works good with dual graphics.
Make sure to enable dual monitor support and change PCI to primary video card in BIOS to enable Crossfire / Dual Graphics and to OC the Video card to 1200mhz.
BF3 on High is good. Medium is flawless. Auto runs great too.
Thanks for letting us know
Thanks for letting us know the A8-7600 will run dual-graphics with an R7-240.
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If it had had a little more of an edge that would have been fine
too, but I’m OK with their making things work out in a feel-good, romantic
comedy sort of way. In society, however, there
is a growing acceptance of all kinds of lifestyles. I want to marry my girlfriend, just like my brother is going to marry his girlfriend.
With the proliferation of AMD
With the proliferation of AMD R7 250 subsets (e,x etc), is the a-fore mentioned MSI card (MSI R7 250 2gd3 OC etc) the best choice I can make for my itx build*? Would any of the more resent variants be a better choice?
* with the exception of a Fractal Node 304 case, a different apu cooler and Adata DDR3 2400 memory everything else is the same.
thanks in advance
Can The a8 7600k run dual
Can The a8 7600k run dual graphics with asus r7 250 1gb gddr5 oland core 384streaming processors memory 4600 core 1050??
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I have the same problem…
I have the same problem…
What is that cpu cooler. It
What is that cpu cooler. It seems nice. Specially to cool down the motherboard chips.
Can you combine Dual Graphics
Can you combine Dual Graphics and CrossFire? And if so is it as simple as plugging in the cards and putting on a bridge?
please help me i cant
please help me i cant crossfire on my device
i have amd a8 7600 and GPU sapphire r7 250 128bit 2gb ram ddr5
i cannot crossfire my amd
i cannot crossfire my amd a8-7600 and r7 250 1GB DDR5 can u help me please
Hi Bittu,did you resolve this
Hi Bittu,did you resolve this issue? if so, what did you do and please share your display driver and OS details that seem to work? I have an A8 7600 and Gigabyte R7 250 ddr3 and trying to do dual graphics, but nothing seems to work.Please feel free to email the info to me at deepkumar.velaga@gmail.com
This is a really good
This is a really good alternative to spending a lot of money unnecessarily to run a couple “higher end” cards(say a pair of GTX 760’s). I’m a pretty casual gamer, but I really enjoy building, tinkering, overclocking, and maxing the performance in my machines. That being said it’s really wasteful for me to spend a ton of money on an expensive rig with my usage. I spent around $500 probably 4-6 years ago and even with my hefty OC running dual at 4.5MHz my A6 5400K and GTX 550ti(yes, I know it’s weak in comparison to most, but pretty good for the $) are really lagging behind on some newer games i was excited about playing. Picking up a A8 7650K and pairing it with 2GB R7 250 would be a significant upgrade for me with a price tag under $200. I’m really glad to see the benchmark and performance numbers are there on this one. That’s not always the case with SLI and Crossfire.
Please help me I can’t find
Please help me I can’t find or make my a10 7850k dual graphic or crossfire with my sapphire r7 240 gddr5. I did all the instruction in youtube and google and i got latest drivers and catalyst. But dual graphic do not appear in my ccc. Please help me
hey i know this post is real
hey i know this post is real old but i dont thing you can crossfire ddr3 apu with ddr5 gpu….
i had the same problem trying to CF mygodavari apu (DDR3) and a sappire radeon hd 7770 DDR5…. CF wouldnt show
Did you get any progress with
Did you get any progress with your dual graphics setup? If so please share how you resolved it.
Im accually really hoping
Im accually really hoping someone lets me know what crossfires with perfect with the godavari because im about to sell my HD7770 Sappire radeon flex gddr5 and get a gpu that will crossfire with my godavari….. any tips please let me know asap
same here I have a8 7600 and
same here I have a8 7600 and r7 250 2gb gddr5. I activated dual graphics but I cannot see the tab “gaming” in the radeon settings nor the crossfire tab.