Final Thoughts
As it is turning out, the capability for Kaveri-based Dual Graphics frame pacing is only portion of the change that is coming with the 13.35 driver release this month. Tahiti-GPU Eyefinity CrossFire scaling is in play as are TrueAudio and Mantle possibly; it looks like January and February are looking to be more exciting for PC gamers than initially expected.
Dual Graphics, previously known as Hybrid CrossFire, is a feature that has always looked great on paper. Taking a processor with integrated graphics on it, in particular one with the performance of the AMD A10 APU line, and improving on that with a low cost discrete graphics card for upgradeable mainstream gaming sounds amazing. For years we all thought it was fine too – frame rates as reported by in-game benchmarks or tools like FRAPS showed increases in performance. The problem was that it was all just a facade, something that tools like FCAT and our Frame Rating graphics performance methodology have proven. Higher frame rates don't really mean much if half of those frames are thrown away, not visible, and not affecting user experience.
The ability to frame pace multi-GPU graphics has finally arrived to Dual Graphics with the Catalyst 13.35 beta and the results are pretty good. Of the five games we tested, four of them saw significant improvements in playability and experience with the new driver that did not exist before. The only game that didn't see improvement was Skyrim, a game that is still using a DX9 rendering engine. AMD has clearly told us that only DX10/11 games are enabled for Frame Pacing right now, and in all honestly I don't think we'll see DX9 implemented at all. The game development world has moved on, and unfortunately I don't think AMD sees the value of spending time on that right now.
Scaling with Dual Graphics, the jump in average performance going from the Radeon R7 250 discrete single GPU to the coupling of the R7 250 and A8-7600 APU, ranges from 15% to 35%. GRID 2 sees the least performance scaling likely due to the already CPU-centric performance limitations the game often displays. Modest amounts of frame rate spiking also occurs in the this game which somewhat limits the improvements in real-world performance.
Battlefield 3 shows the most impressive change with very little variance and a solid 35% increase in average frame rate. Yes, I realize that isn't the 60-90% we are used to seeing in the discrete graphics world, but considering the architectural differences between the APU and the discrete graphics card, this is a solid result. Battlefield 4 actually looks worse for this configuration. Even though it scales up by 25% there is quite a bit of frame variance and spikes in the frame times that we would like to see improved.
The fix isn't perfect, but the driver came as such a surprise to me that it's hard to not be impressed by the results. As I said at the start of this story, it has been a long and painful trek for AMD over the past year, having to rebuild its Catalyst software as well as its credibility with the enthusiast community. They are getting there, but it's going to take a lot of consistent software support to maintain it.
Hey Ryan,
Great write up.
Hey Ryan,
Great write up. Any chance of us getting an updated review with an a10 chip along with a comparison between gddr3 and gddr5?
Ryan, I second Marc’s
Ryan, I second Marc’s question. I just picked up an A10-7850k Black Edition and am curious to see what I can get away with using to maximize perfomance of this APU without overpaying for potential unused features (such as DDR5 vs DDR3).
Dear Author
There is
Dear Author
There is something wrong with your Math.
Battlefield 3 CF 45fps is 50% more to 30fps (solo), same goes to other titles
The gains are up to 50% not by 30% like you wrote.
Dear Author
There is
Dear Author
There is something wrong with your Math.
Battlefield 3 CF 45fps is 50% more to 30fps (solo), same goes to other titles
The gains are up to 50% not by 30% like you wrote.
Kaveri supports XDMA. Has
Kaveri supports XDMA. Has anybody tried to CF a Kaveri cpu with a R7 260? Ryan, do you have any plans to try this?
HEllo,
I have problems to
HEllo,
I have problems to setup Dual Graphics, I have the last beta drivers installed CCC 14.1
Motherboard: Asrock FM2A88X-ITX+
APU: AMD A10-7700K
GPU: Shappire R7 250
How I can set up this, os is also something with BIOS?
Thanks in advanve.
its really a shame that
its really a shame that people are two-faced when it comes to computer hardware. while a company is attempting to innovate the market, all the jackals say is ‘intel is faster and uses less power’ yet the ivy and haswell bridges are pretty much the same thing. but what do i know? its not like i watched 64-bit go through the useless stage when it first released.
it is funny to me how people are comparing a cost effective solution to a double cost build that runs better. get a life quiers, you know who you are.
A10-7850K + MSI R7 250 2GB
A10-7850K + MSI R7 250 2GB DDR3 + 8GB 1066 PC3-10700 VENGEANCE + 240GB SSD Hyper-X + ASUS A58M-A MB + 550W Antec PSU
AMD Catalyst Beta 14.7 and 14.4 stable works good with dual graphics.
Make sure to enable dual monitor support and change PCI to primary video card in BIOS to enable Crossfire / Dual Graphics and to OC the Video card to 1200mhz.
BF3 on High is good. Medium is flawless. Auto runs great too.
Thanks for letting us know
Thanks for letting us know the A8-7600 will run dual-graphics with an R7-240.
If it had had a little more
If it had had a little more of an edge that would have been fine
too, but I’m OK with their making things work out in a feel-good, romantic
comedy sort of way. In society, however, there
is a growing acceptance of all kinds of lifestyles. I want to marry my girlfriend, just like my brother is going to marry his girlfriend.
With the proliferation of AMD
With the proliferation of AMD R7 250 subsets (e,x etc), is the a-fore mentioned MSI card (MSI R7 250 2gd3 OC etc) the best choice I can make for my itx build*? Would any of the more resent variants be a better choice?
* with the exception of a Fractal Node 304 case, a different apu cooler and Adata DDR3 2400 memory everything else is the same.
thanks in advance
Can The a8 7600k run dual
Can The a8 7600k run dual graphics with asus r7 250 1gb gddr5 oland core 384streaming processors memory 4600 core 1050??
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I have the same problem…
I have the same problem…
What is that cpu cooler. It
What is that cpu cooler. It seems nice. Specially to cool down the motherboard chips.
Can you combine Dual Graphics
Can you combine Dual Graphics and CrossFire? And if so is it as simple as plugging in the cards and putting on a bridge?
please help me i cant
please help me i cant crossfire on my device
i have amd a8 7600 and GPU sapphire r7 250 128bit 2gb ram ddr5
i cannot crossfire my amd
i cannot crossfire my amd a8-7600 and r7 250 1GB DDR5 can u help me please
Hi Bittu,did you resolve this
Hi Bittu,did you resolve this issue? if so, what did you do and please share your display driver and OS details that seem to work? I have an A8 7600 and Gigabyte R7 250 ddr3 and trying to do dual graphics, but nothing seems to work.Please feel free to email the info to me at deepkumar.velaga@gmail.com
This is a really good
This is a really good alternative to spending a lot of money unnecessarily to run a couple “higher end” cards(say a pair of GTX 760’s). I’m a pretty casual gamer, but I really enjoy building, tinkering, overclocking, and maxing the performance in my machines. That being said it’s really wasteful for me to spend a ton of money on an expensive rig with my usage. I spent around $500 probably 4-6 years ago and even with my hefty OC running dual at 4.5MHz my A6 5400K and GTX 550ti(yes, I know it’s weak in comparison to most, but pretty good for the $) are really lagging behind on some newer games i was excited about playing. Picking up a A8 7650K and pairing it with 2GB R7 250 would be a significant upgrade for me with a price tag under $200. I’m really glad to see the benchmark and performance numbers are there on this one. That’s not always the case with SLI and Crossfire.
Please help me I can’t find
Please help me I can’t find or make my a10 7850k dual graphic or crossfire with my sapphire r7 240 gddr5. I did all the instruction in youtube and google and i got latest drivers and catalyst. But dual graphic do not appear in my ccc. Please help me
hey i know this post is real
hey i know this post is real old but i dont thing you can crossfire ddr3 apu with ddr5 gpu….
i had the same problem trying to CF mygodavari apu (DDR3) and a sappire radeon hd 7770 DDR5…. CF wouldnt show
Did you get any progress with
Did you get any progress with your dual graphics setup? If so please share how you resolved it.
Im accually really hoping
Im accually really hoping someone lets me know what crossfires with perfect with the godavari because im about to sell my HD7770 Sappire radeon flex gddr5 and get a gpu that will crossfire with my godavari….. any tips please let me know asap
same here I have a8 7600 and
same here I have a8 7600 and r7 250 2gb gddr5. I activated dual graphics but I cannot see the tab “gaming” in the radeon settings nor the crossfire tab.