As we have talked about on several different occasions, Altcoin mining (anything that is NOT Bitcoin specifically) is a force on the current GPU market whether we like it or not. Traditionally, Miners have only bought AMD-based GPUs, due to the performance advantage when compared to their NVIDIA competition. However, with continued development of the cudaMiner application over the past few months, NVIDIA cards have been gaining performance in Scrypt mining.
The biggest performance change we've seen yet has come with a new version of cudaMiner released yesterday. This new version (2014-02-18) brings initial support for the Maxwell architecture, which was just released yesterday in the GTX 750 and 750 Ti. With support for Maxwell, mining starts to become a more compelling option with this new NVIDIA GPU.
With the new version of cudaMiner on the reference version of the GTX 750 Ti, we were able to achieve a hashrate of 263 KH/s, impressive when you compare it to the performance of the previous generation, Kepler-based GTX 650 Ti, which tops out at about 150KH/s or so.
As you may know from our full GTX 750 Ti Review, the GM107 overclocks very well. We were able to push our sample to the highest offset configurable of +135 MHz, with an additional 500 MHz added to the memory frequency, and 31 mV bump to the voltage offset. All of this combined to a ~1200 MHz clockspeed while mining, and an additional 40 KH/s or so of performance, bringing us to just under 300KH/s with the 750 Ti.
As we compare the performance of the 750 Ti to AMD GPUs and previous generation NVIDIA GPUs, we start to see how impressive the performance of this card stacks up considering the $150 MSRP. For less than half the price of the GTX 770, and roughly the same price as a R7 260X, you can achieve the same performance.
When we look at power consumption based on the TDP of each card, this comparison only becomes more impressive. At 60W, there is no card that comes close to the performance of the 750 Ti when mining. This means you will spend less to run a 750 Ti than a R7 260X or GTX 770 for roughly the same hash rate.
Taking a look at the performance per dollar ratings of these graphics cards, we see the two top performers are the AMD R7 260X and our overclocked GTX 750 Ti.
However, when looking at the performance per watt differences of the field, the GTX 750 Ti looks more impressive. While most miners may think they don't care about power draw, it can help your bottom line. By being able to buy a smaller, less efficient power supply the payoff date for the hardware is moved up. This also bodes well for future Maxwell based graphics cards that we will likely see released later in 2014.
Continue reading our look at Coin Mining performance with the GTX 750 Ti and Maxwell!!
To illustrate this example, we put together two builds of mining computers that should be capable of similar hashrates:
R9 270X Mining Rig | GTX 750 Ti Mining Rig | |
---|---|---|
Processor | AMD Sempron 145 - $55 | AMD Sempron 145 - $55 |
Motherboard | GIGABYTE GA-990FXA-UD3 - $135 | GIGABYTE GA-990FXA-UD3 - $135 |
System Memory | Kingston Value RAM 4GB 1333MHz - $40 | Kingston Value RAM 4GB 1333MHz - $40 |
PCIE Riser Cards | 1 x 16X to 1X Converter - $10 | 3 x 16X to 1X Converter - $30 |
Power Supply | Corsair CX750 Builder Series - $80 | Corsair CX500 Builder Series - $50 |
Graphics Cards | 4 x Radeon R9 270X - $1200 | 6 x MSI Graphics Cards N750Ti - $990 |
Price | $1520 - Full Cart on Amazon.com | $1300 - Full Cart on Amazon.com |
In these two builds, the core platform stays the same, with the AMD Sempron 145 Single Core processor. While this processor would be essentially useless for a lot of other tasks, Coin mining on a GPU is not a CPU intensive task, so we can get away with one of the cheapest CPUs on the market.
We chose the Gigabyte 990FXA-UD3, as it was the cheapest motherboard we could find for this platform with 6 PCI-Express ports.
As you have probably noticed not all of the PCI-E ports on this motherboard allow for a x16 card to be plugged in, and even the ones that are capable don't have proper spacing for 2 slot cards. To remedy this we have included the appropriate adapters.
Due to the fact that we are using PCIE risers, there is no case included. You would most likely be best served by building an open-air test bed for the system out of milk crates, shelving systems, wood, or some other building material. Just remember, it doesn't have to look pretty to be effective!
There is also no storage option included. For something like this you could either use any spare hard drive you have laying around, or even install a Linux distribution to a thumb drive. Due to this, we found storage to be a negligible option.
First, we have a more traditional build, using 4 x R9 270Xs, which we found available on Amazon right now for just above $300 each. With 4 of these cards running at about 450KH/s each, we should have a 1.8MH/s machine. With a power draw of 150W from each card, we get a total of 600W just for the GPUs alone. Throwing in another 75W for the 45W TDP processor and any additional overhead, we come to approximately 675W power draw for our entire mining rig.
At a total cost of around $1520, this machine would have a payoff period of about 113 days at the current Dogecoin rates, at 1.8MH/s
Our second build is based on the GTX 750 Ti. This time we instead opted for 6 x 750 Ti cards for a total of $900, which is still significantly lower than the $1200 for 4 270Xs. With 6 x 750 Ti cards, the estimated GPU power draw would only be 360W, just above half of the power draw of the 270X machine. Adding in the same 75W for additional system components the total estimated power draw works out to 435W, which allows us to purchase a cheaper power supply.
At a total cost of around $1300, this machine would have a payoff period of about 97 days at the current Dogecoin rates, at 1.8MH/s
As you can see, by cramming more of the lower end but impressive GTX 750 Ti's into a single machine you can create a similar performing machine for less money than the AMD alternative, which is contrary to all the advice given about coin mining up to this initial release of Maxwell. In addition, performance of the Maxwell-based machine should only improve as the Maxwell kernel for cudaMiner is developed further, whereas OpenCL performance for AMD mining has likely been as optimized as we will ever see it.
An additional factor you have to keep in mind is the fluctuating cryptocurrency market. Just because the payoff estimates today say you could be making a profit in 80 days, doesn't mean that will remain the same in the future. While the estimate could get better, it also could get a lot worse, leaving you with a lot of hardware to sell off in the future.
While no one is sure where the mining market will be as far as profitability is concerned when the high end Maxwell GPUs hit the market, NVIDIA could have a similar stock issues and an inability to deliver GPUs to gamers as we see AMD having today.
Did Nvidia move this Maxwell
Did Nvidia move this Maxwell into play quickly to get in on some of this “crypto-craze”? You almost have to think they did, they just wouldn’t sit sidelined knowing they had this capability. It will be great to get some parity back in the market. Nvidia surely knowing this has moved all there wafer starts for GK106 and probably other like GK107 month ago to started a stockpile of these GM107 28Nm and geared up to meet the demand. So perhaps with each machine running 6 cards that provide total hash, while still super low power, for those who are working legit and not stealing the power this has a place.
You really can’t be serious
You really can’t be serious with the “Mining performance per watt”-graph, it has absolutely no relations to any sort of reality out there.
No, the cards do NOT draw exactly their TDP when mining, you should know that and if you don’t believe me, test yourself.
ExtremeTech actually took the time to test cards mining performance and compare it to the actual power draw, not just a number the IHV decided to put as the official TDP, which aren’t comparable between different cards anyway (meaning that card x is closer to it’s TDP in real life workloads than card y)
263Kh/s???.. WTF?.. Even if
263Kh/s???.. WTF?.. Even if you buy 6 of that and shove it on an ASROCK
mining Mobo, that wouldn’t do you much benefit. YES, the price is low BUT
the PERFORMANCE too! 🙁
AT $150, you are WAY-WAY BETTER of with a Radeon HD6950 2G
@ stock performance you can EASILY reach 390-415 Kh/s with it
PLUS you get to MOD it depending on the brand and when MODDED it will
crank around 440-460 Kh/s if you got the MOD right 🙂 Regardless if you
run it on stock STILL, its a much much better option 🙂
No offense to nVidia tho who knows they might come up with
a much better alternative when their 800 series comes out. 🙂
Radeon HD6950 === 200watt TDP
Radeon HD6950 === 200watt TDP card. 750ti is 60 watt card. And as said in story speed of cuda miner is likely to improve as the hash miner is optmized where as opencl one amd cards uses is pretty much as good as it will get. This story is about best bang for $ in terms of buying the hardware and time it takes to mine enough to pay it off. AMD cards fasters yes but power usage makes them cost more to run hence longer to pay off.
Should read the story and understand what its point is before start spouting out stupidity.
Oh by the way, LIECOIN and
Oh by the way, LIECOIN and some other Popular Scrypt
based Digital currency are BASED on OPENCL and when it’s
based on OPENCL rest assured, it will RUN EFFICIENTLY on the
Majority of RADEON VIDEO CARDS SPECIALLY the 6000,7000 and R8-R9
models tho as of now, CUDA based MINING while utilizing the
features of OPENCL to speedup calculations and data crunching
STILL, its has a VERY long way to go UNLESS the Developers of the
Scrypt mining applications LITECOIN(specially) and the
others would release a version of their digital currency
that would run as fast as the Radeons while using CUDA cores
But too late for that since CUDA is proprietary based model
and OpenCL is a much better option, CUDA doesn’t stand a chance
as of now in the Near futre maybe, but for today if you’re
thinking about investing 13-15 grand of your hard earned money
and want to mine Sctypt based digital currency and crank
somewhere in the 10,000-11,000 Kh/s GO FOR R9 290X video
cards installed on a 3 Gigabyte hi end gaming mobos (4 video
cards per mobo) like those PROs do and depending on the
mining site you’re signed with, Soon you’ll be on the top
miners ranking earning a lot of Digicoins… 🙂 LOL!
while reading this inane post
while reading this inane post i thought to myself “look at this idiot! Anybet he’ll end this post with a LOL”
You didnt dissapoint
Thanks for the test, looks
Thanks for the test, looks like Nvidia is (once again) more expensive to buy, but cheaper to run in the long term. (local prices over here, NA seems completely out of whack)
Can’t wait for something more beefy based on Maxwell!
My ELSA GTX760 hits 300k/hash
My ELSA GTX760 hits 300k/hash overclocked to 1150MHz
Can you guys please confirm
Can you guys please confirm that this machine (the 750ti’s) will definitely work? There are no areas you may have overlooked??? Thanks!
Well they are showing
Well they are showing hash/rated TDP as hash/watt for one, which is just wrong
That is true. However, sadly,
That is true. However, sadly, that doesn’t really answer whether or not the build would function properly as described.
True. Sadly that doesn’t
True. Sadly that doesn’t answer my question though 🙁
True. Sadly that doesn’t
True. Sadly that doesn’t answer my question though 🙁
Wow glitch… Sorry about
Wow glitch… Sorry about that
If you were to plug one of
If you were to plug one of these (see link at below) into each of your cpie slots (using the suggested mobo that’s 2 x PCIe1x, 1 x PCIe4x and 2 x PCIe16x) could you end up have five of the splitters, meaning you’d have 15 cards from the one mobo. Is that easy enough to do? Obviously you’d need multiple PSUs.
LINK TO SPLITTER
http://amfeltec.com/products/flexible-x1-pci-express-3-way-splitter-gpu-oriented/
If not could you do the same thing with these (see link below) and at the end of each splitter use a PCIe1x to PCIe16x adapter)
LINK
http://amfeltec.com/products/flexible-x1-pci-express-3-way-splitter/
Thanks!
Great article Ken!
Great article Ken!
LOL, what BS! Terrible,
LOL, what BS! Terrible, clueless article.
Nice write up.
That hashrate
Nice write up.
That hashrate is about the same rate the AMD 7870HD card gets, but without the power requirement!
No, the 270X is essentially a
No, the 270X is essentially a 7870 and it gets ~450khash
I just want to chime in and
I just want to chime in and say I can pull 540 Khash on my Reference EVGA 780 with a prolimatech mk 26 not going over 46C.
Setting power target to 75%, the voltage is at 1.00 and running at 1019mhz core (+144 core from stock).
The best part, it’s only pulling 170 watts from the wall. If I do the khash/watt, that’s 3.17 khash/watt.
I don’t understand why you
I don’t understand why you say it need only 60w of power ..
Gigabyte and EVGA card description says it need 400w or greater psu..! (EVGA says minimum 20 amps in the +12v rail)
“I don’t understand why you
“I don’t understand why you say it need only 60w of power ..
Gigabyte and EVGA card description says it need 400w or greater psu..! (EVGA says minimum 20 amps in the +12v rail)”
Well 20A on a 12V rail is minimum of 360 watts. The card itself will only draw 60 watts (TDP) at most.
If this is really the case
If this is really the case then Nvidia would be stupid not to come with a Maxwell on say 240mm2 Dia; provides something between the GTX760-770 with the low power and “hashing” that’s more like a R9 280X all for $300.
Competing with a 50% smaller chip and say 140W TDP would be a big boon. Waiting almost all of 2014 for 20Nm is nut’s, as a marketing guy I’d be beating down every door to get that product now!
I don’t understand why you
I don’t understand why you say it need only 60w of power ..
Gigabyte and EVGA card description says it need 400w or greater psu..! (EVGA says minimum 20 amps in the +12v rail)
Well 20A on a 12V rail is minimum of 360 watts. The card itself will only draw 60 watts (TDP) at most.
Is there a spe3cial reason
Is there a spe3cial reason not to use the R9 280x in the comparison table as well?
…
how did you guys run the 4
how did you guys run the 4 video cards, that require 2 PCIe connectors (each), with a power supply that only has 4 PCIe connectors included? :s
I’m new to this, so be kind,
I’m new to this, so be kind, but what kind of power supply are you running?
Could I get the full specs on
Could I get the full specs on those machines? I started Dogecoin mining, got drunk, and essentially ordered all those parts off of Amazon except I went w 4 x GPU, will be running a milk crate for a case, and Windows for the OS. I’m also wondering, what was the power supply for the system? I would greatly appreciate more info as to put this system together, as I have only assembled gaming computers in the past with GPU’s in slots, not with jumper/extensions.
I have two GTX 750 ti cards
I have two GTX 750 ti cards mining on the 2014-0228 version of cudaminer. With Afterburner OC’ing the video cards at +75MHz for the Core, and +500MHz for the Memory (most stable for my setup), I’m getting about ~292KH/s on each card with temps of 65-70C, while only consuming 188W total at load (system idles at 48.5W). This is running on a rig with an Intel i3 4330 CPU, 4GB of RAM, 128GB SSD, ASRock MB, and SeaSonic 550W Gold PSU in an ATX case.
My next build will be 6 x GTX 750 TI cards on powered risers, ASRock BTC MB with 6 PCIe slots (MB has auxiliary power for GPU mining), Intel G3220 CPU, 4 GB of RAM, 64GB SSD, with a 550W Platinum PSU. I expect a hashrate of ~1.7MH/s while only consuming less than 500W for a build cost of less than $1300.
My GTX 780 lightning does
My GTX 780 lightning does 700kh/s on 1306Mhz @ 70 celcius
undervolted ,( 1.145v it will crash if i game like this).
but 97.1 % TDP
on SHA 3 it can do even lower voltages and higher clocks
but on 1306 Mhz it will be around 260,000kh/s
with riddiculous low TDP.
i dont remember the exact number , so i can’t say anything for sure.
but it was way way lower then scrypt mining .
lower then 80% at least