Test System and Overclocking
After completing the initial review of the Kingston HyperX Predator 2666MHz DDR3 last month, we immediately received feedback from readers looking for benchmarks on an APU-based system, and it was an especially valid request considering the lack of performance scaling from the Intel test platform in that review. Speaking of platforms, right off the bat I will address a choice made in the selection of components for this test platform: the mini-ITX motherboard. Why mini-ITX? With APU’s integration of CPU and GPU, building a system without a discrete graphics card offers the possibility of a full-featured system build in a small form factor (SFF). As previously noted, an APU-based system can be constructed within the same price segment as a modern game console – and we've already seen plans for small PC systems the size of consoles with the upcoming Steam Machines first announced at CES this year. A mini-ITX motherboard would allow any builder to start creating such a system today.
The motherboard chosen for this review bears a special mention, as it was a good performer and an even better value. The ASRock FM2A88X-ITX+ motherboard is a full-featured solution for a SFF APU build, and for its cost ($109.99 on Newegg at time of writing) it has a very impressive feature set. This motherboard features dual-band 802.11n WiFi, Bluetooth 4.0, triple monitor support (with VGA, DVI, and HDMI outputs), gold caps, and even a premium headphone amp from TI! Most importantly for the purposes of this article, however, is this diminutive board’s memory overclocking potential. In a market where the majority of offerings are limited to DDR3-2133 support, this board officially supports memory speeds of DDR3-2400.
Test Platform | |
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Processor | AMD A10-7850K APU (AMD Catalyst WHQL Driver 13.301.1001) |
Motherboard | ASRock FM2A88X-ITX+ |
Memory | Kingston HyperX Predator 8GB 2666MHz DDR3 |
Graphics Card | NVIDIA GeForce GTX 770 (OEM) |
Storage | Plextor M5 Pro 128GB SSD |
Case | BitFenix Colossus Micro-ATX |
Cooling | Corsair H100 AIO Liquid Cooler |
Power Supply | Corsair CX 750 Watt Modular PSU |
OS | Windows 7 Professional SP1 64-bit |
Overclocking
Who wants to leave free performance on the table? Naturally, since this review is all about speed - and the Kingston HyperX Predator memory from our first review is made to be highly overclocked - it was clearly appropriate to take the 7850K APU clocks as high as possible! The end result was limited to my own ability and the capabilities of this motherboard, and as these adjustments had to retain stability through all of the benchmarks some compromises inevitably had to be made. Not being an expert at CPU overclocking by any means I was still able to find my way through without too much trouble in the UEFI setup. It was a slow process, however, beginning with the problem of ultra-speed memory support.
The memory speed on the FM2A88X-ITX+ could not be set higher than 1200MHz (DDR3-2400) without adjusting the 100MHz base clock (BCLK), so I had to attempt an adjustment there. Since this HyperX memory can theoretically be run at up to 2666MHz, I tried many voltage and frequency changes to attempt this result. After many failed boot attempts I finally found the ceiling with this motherboard/CPU with a 104MHz BCLK. Since the the highest memory setting (DDR3-2400) on the board is using a multiplier of 12, this 104MHz base clock would have resulted in a frequency of 1248 MHz, which would be high enough for DDR3-2500 (OK, technically DDR3-2496).
In reality, however, the base clock actually operated a little higher at this setting – reading anywhere from 105-107 MHz in Windows using CPUZ.
The 2500MHz DDR3 ran slightly higher according to CPUZ
After finding a stable base clock, I started increasing the multiplier until I reached 4.5 GHz with a multiplier of 42. This CPU overclock was achieved along with the DDR3 overclock with some very high CPU voltages. The next problem became achieving CPU overclock parity with the stock memory speeds used in comparison here, and while some adjustments had to be made to the CPU overclock, the resulting speeds were very close. The BCLK was reduced to the stock 100MHz for the DDR3-1600 and DDR3-2133, and a simple multiplier overclock was employed (x45) to bring the core speed back up to 4.5 GHz for these tests.
The 1600 and 2133 DDR3 tests ran with 4.5 GHz on the CPU as well
Naturally, I couldn’t resist trying to get the IGPU clock higher on the 7850K before beginning the benchmarking process. This is an APU, not just a CPU after all! After raising the voltage to 1.4V for the internal graphics, I ended up settling on the 900MHz mark, which was not only a nice increase, but was easy to duplicate with both CPU overclocks.
Higher clocks on the GPU side are certainly possible as I was able to hit a stable 1GHz without any CPU changes, but such high clocks were not possible once the CPU and RAM were overclocked as well (at least during my experimentation). With 900MHz along with the memory and CPU gains we should see some pretty good performance here!
Memory Speeds
With the system stable it was time to run some benchmarks. Before proceeding we had to choose what memory speeds to compare along with the max overclock, and this is where we chose to duplicate the speeds from our look at this HyperX memory on the Intel system. AMD not only offers official support for 1866MHz on their desktop parts (unlike Intel’s 1600MHz desktop CPU limit), but 2133MHz is officially supported on the newest APU’s as well. For comparison I chose the same stock 1600MHz CL11 and 2133MHz CL10 memory settings from the Intel review, changing all timings and voltage manually to exactly replicate the speeds from the previously sampled DDR3.
Performance Consistency
A quick note on the consistency of the test results: As I mentioned above, though taking two different approaches with the DDR3-1600/2133 and subsequent DDR3-2500 runs, the CPU and GPU frequencies are extremely close, and certainly within limits for a good comparison. IGPU frequencies only fluctuated from 898 MHz to 900 MHz between overclocks, and the CPU held between 4.51 and 4.52 GHz. The baseline DDR-1600 operated with 11-11-11-28 timings @ 1.50 V, and the DDR3-2133 at 10-12-12-31 @ 1.60 V. For the max overclock of DDR3-2500, the Kingston XMP Profile #2 timings for the HyperX RAM were used, providing timings of 11-13-13-32, and required a little more voltage for stability on this system with 1.68 – 1.69 V used during testing.
Now for some benchmarking!
Thanks Sebastian, this realy
Thanks Sebastian, this realy did answer alot of questions. Great read
Mantle results in Thief or
Mantle results in Thief or BF4 would have been welcomed here, to see how much the combination of faster RAM and Mantle helps with the average and maybe more important, with minimum frames. Or maybe just to see if faster RAM has the same or different impact under Mantle compared to DX11.
Since Mantle reduces the CPU
Since Mantle reduces the CPU overhead, I wouldn’t think it would have much of an impact at all, but testing that hypothesis wouldn’t hurt.
Thanks for this review. The
Thanks for this review. The 2400 point is nice- I hadn’t realized how much these have dropped in price. That was almost as surprising as the performance results. Still, someone who is nickle and diming it over the $$$ between 1600 and 2133 kits is probably looking at another system entirely if they’re looking at 2400, but from what I’ve seen, it almost doesn’t make sense to at least drop in a 2133 anyhow.
Are there plans to see how
Are there plans to see how RAM speeds affect an APU/video card crossfire setup? eg. a 7850K with a R7 250
Thanks for the experiment and
Thanks for the experiment and review!
“is a discreet graphics card really needed for gaming at reasonable settings?”
“the newest Kaveri APU’s certainly suggest that discreet graphics might not be needed for acceptable 1080p gaming”
“building a system without a discreet graphics card offers the possibility of a full-featured system build”
“and would save nearly enough over the 7850K to buy a discreet GPU as well”
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This kind of discrete is spelled discrete.
Hey, if I was going to
Hey, if I was going to misspell a word, might as well do it like 10 times! (Corrected, thanks.)
Actually, its the apu gpu
Actually, its the apu gpu that is discreet, modest little thang that it is.
pretty sure you’d want to
pretty sure you’d want to save your money on expsensive memory and just get a discrete gpu
thx for the test.
was the ram
thx for the test.
was the ram dual rank or single rank memory?
if dual rank can you repeat the result of this test ( http://www.computerbase.de/2014-01/amd-kaveri-arbeitsspeicher/2/ )
the result on computerbase.de was that dual rank is faster than single rank.
These results aren’t
These results aren’t surprising. The IGP is basically an underclocked HD 7750 (a card I own).
Any word on DDR4 arrival for the mainstream?
“It’s likely that a different processor would be chosen for a low cost build”
I’m in this situation now. I need something to replace a failing Core i3 530 @3.7Ghz and H55 mobo. I can get a Haswell Pentium and B85 mobo for $120-160 and be content. Budget minded people replace what’s broken and salvage what they can.
Shopping Newegg last night Kaveri wasn’t on my radar.