Revamped Enthusiast Platform
Intel’s new flagship Haswell-E platform is finally alive and I can tell you that yes, this is the fastest system we have used to date. READ ME!
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Sometimes writing these reviews can be pretty anti-climactic. With all of the official and leaked information released about Haswell-E over the last six to nine months, there isn't much more to divulge that can truly be called revolutionary. Yes, we are looking at the new king of the enthusiast market with an 8-core processor that not only brings a 33% increase in core count over the previous generation Ivy Bridge-E and Sandy Bridge-E platforms, but also includes the adoption of the DDR4 memory specification, which allows for high density and high speed memory subsystems.
And along with the new processor on a modified socket (though still LGA2011) comes a new chipset with some interesting new features. If you were left wanting for USB 3.0 or Thunderbolt on X79, then you are going to love what you see with X99. Did you think you needed some more SATA ports to really liven up your pool of hard drives? Retail boards are going to have you covered.
Again, just like last time, you will find a set of three processors that are coming into the market at the same time. These offerings range from the $999 price point and go down to the much more reasonable cost of $389. But this time there are more interesting decisions to be made based on specification differences in the family. Do the changes that Intel made in the sub-$1000 SKUs make it a better or worse buy for users looking to finally upgrade?
Haswell-E: A New Enthusiast Lineup from Intel
Today's launch of the Intel Core i7-5960X processor continues on the company's path of enthusiast branded parts that are built off of a subset of the workstation and server market. It is no secret that some Xeon branded processors will work in X79 motherboards and the same is true of the upcoming Haswell-EP series (with its X99 platform) launching today. As an enthusiast though, I think we can agree that it doesn't really matter how a processor like this comes about, as long as it continues to occur well into the future.
The Core i7-5960X processor is an 8-core, 16-thread design built on what is essentially the same architecture we saw released with the mainstream Haswell parts released in June of 2013. There are some important differences of course, including the lack of integrated graphics and the move from DDR3 to DDR4 for system memory. The underlying microarchitecture remains unchanged, though. Previously known as the Haswell-E platform, the Core i7-5960X continues Intel's trend of releasing enthusiast/workstation grade platforms that are based on an existing mainstream architecture.
With IVB-E platforms maxing out at a 6-core design, and the mainstream Haswell designs peaking at 4 cores, the jump up to 8-cores will instantly result in some impressive performance increases in applications that are heavily multi-threaded. All Haswell-E, Core i7-5000 SKUs are going to be unlocked for easy overclocking. As you'll see in a couple of pages, my results in that area are going to drastically change overall performance comparisons.
Haswell-E is based on the same 22nm process technology as the standard Haswell CPUs, but with an increase of the transistor count from 1.4 billion to 2.6 billion, thanks to the doubling of processor cores and because of the massive 20MB of last level cache on-board. Die size jumps up to 355 mm2 on Haswell-E compared to 177 mm2 on Haswell.
Although there are (officially) three processors launching today, we only really have a single part in for testing, the flagship Core i7-5960X, which marks the return of Intel Extreme Edition CPUs. Unfortunately, that also means a return of the $1000 price tag! The rated specifications are mind blowing though: 8-cores and 16-threads, quad-channel DDR4 memory support and 20MB of LLC. The base clock of the processor is only 3.0 GHz with a peak Turbo Boost of 3.5 GHz, but overclocking beyond that is going to be really easy it seems. As we have seen in previous E-grade processor releases, we have 40 lanes of PCI Express, though fully PCIe 3.0 compliant now.
The 140 watt TDP is about 10 watts higher than the Ivy Bridge-E i7-4960x.
The other two models being launched by Intel have some different numbers in front of them. The Core i7-5930K drops from 8-cores to 6-cores (still with HyperThreading) and the 20MB of LLC does down to 15MB. You still have DDR4, quad-channel memory support and 40 lanes of PCIe 3.0. The clock speed increases by 500 MHz on the base clock and 200 MHz on the Turbo Boost speed, resulting in better performance for single threaded applications.
The Core i7-5820K differs even more. Core count remains at six, though PCIe support goes from 40 lanes down to 28 lanes. Clock speeds are 100-200 MHz slower than the Core i7-5930K as well. That 28 lane PCIe configuration might seem like a big hit for some buyers, but I think when you realize that the Core i7-5820K can still handle three PCIe x8 slots (for triple graphics cards, for example) and still have 4 lanes leftover for a PCIe SSD (or M.2), the majority of enthusiast will be able to deal with the drop from 40 lanes. Of course, that price delta helps as well – the Core i7-5820K will run you just $389, compared to $583 for the Core i7-5930K and $999 for the Core i7-5960X.
But let's not forget the recently released Devil's Canyon CPUs. With a price tag that is $50 under the cost of the Core i7-5820K, the Core i7-4790K only has a 4-core design and DDR3 memory support, but those cores are running 700-800 MHz faster than the lowest priced Haswell-E. For buyers that are concerned about single threaded performance, a 4.0 GHz base clock speed could look pretty tempting over the 3.0 GHz base clock of the Core i7-5960X. But buyers more interested in multi-threading have options with both 6-core and 8-core Haswell-E launching today.
Later we'll show you how the Core i7-5960X and the Core i7-4790K compare (as well with many other CPUs) in our benchmarks. Next, let's learn about the new X99 chipset and what the platform brings to the table.
I wonder how much difference
I wonder how much difference Broadwell will make in comparison when it comes out- while it looks like there is a difference in bandwidth, it looks like there was mot much change in performance I could attribute to DDR4. The monster cache was also a ? to me. Perhaps that helps with some DCPs? At any rate, I was hoping for a more definitive toe-to-toe performance change.
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To guys claiming your apps
To guys claiming your apps need to be multithreaded to use all the cores, what are you running MS DOS???
I have the new 5960x and i
I have the new 5960x and i think people miss the point of the product “THIS IS NOT FOR GAMES”. I am a 3d artist and having to wait too see where you messed up in your renders is KEY, you have no idea how hard it is to make pretty artwork on a i5 or lower chip.
If you want to render footage for youtube or just video/photo editing then dont buy this chip, its a waste plus it shows the world you have no idea what this chip should be used for.
This chip should be used for 3d artist’s who cant buy a super computer but would like fast renders for stills or short animations but saying that i would think for a long animation you would use an online render farm for the fished peace. Yes gpu rendering is great and becoming more mainstream but even these render engines use the cpu with the gpu to make the renders even faster “the cpu will never go away”.
Anyone wanting to judge this cpu against another needs too pick just 3d rendering as the benchmark and nothing else, its intels fault that they dont know how to market there cpu’s (this is a xeon based cpu and people want to play games on it lol)
GROW SOME BALLS INTEL AND MAKE A CPU RANGE FOR 3D ARTISTS THAT IS NOT A £2000/3000 CHIP (WE KNOW YOU CAN DO IT) we dont need to render a whole animated film but too make high-end images fast so we can learn our craft faster is a must…. we make your games and sell your products with our 3d skills, why not have more of us???
Well thats my rant and if you check A1OFFENDER on youtube that would make me happy ohhhhhhhhhhhh and i will say one thing that alot of people dont seem to know, this cpu will give you less frame dips in game but if that is your only need for the cpu and can afford it, do it (so many people say this chip wont help gaming but it will help with the frame dips but is it worth the extra doh???)
Wrote this in a rush lol peace out off to eat dinner
While I don’t see the need
While I don’t see the need for 2 (or 3) HDDs in an HTPC, it is because of noise and extra heat, more so than the loss of space. They had the space, since they wanted to make it the same width/depth dimensions of typical home theatre hardware, so they put it to use.
Arguably, moving the power supply out was extremely wise, since now it can be passively cooled, instead of forcing the chassis fans to go into overdrive venting the excess heat. Looking at the temps of a Pentium, without the addition of a graphics card or power supply, they really didn’t have the headroom to put any other heat producer inside the chassis.
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