Further Observations on the MSI 970 Gaming
Audio is further enhanced by the plethora of high quality audio capacitors populating the area. MSI utilizes Nichicon caps that are low ESR and low leakage units. These do cost more than standard polymer caps, but the difference in price is measured in dollars instead of tens of dollars. MSI has implemented a dual amplifier design which detects when a higher resistance (up to 600 ohm) playback device is used. Speakers typically feature around 8 ohms of resistance, but high end headphones can go from 35 ohms up to 600 ohms. One amplifier is connected to the front audio output while the other is attached to the red output on the back panel. Unfortunately for the back panel, it utilizes that lower spec’d 96 dB SNR output from the CODEC. For most users with PC grade speakers, this is not a big deal. For users that do have high end headphones, just make sure to use the front audio panel headphone connection.
The SB950 still offers six SATA6G ports for users, and MSI wisely does not waste a port on eSATA on the back panel.
MSI includes the Sound Blaster Cinema 2 software suite with this board. No Sound Blaster silicon is used in this design, but it does utilize many of the same effects of the higher end standalone Sound Blaster audio solutions. It is software based, so it utilizes CPU cycles to perform this work. If a user has an eight core CPU with this board, then the hit on the CPU will be pretty minimal. In this situation we would see upwards of 4% to 6% CPU usage with multiple effects being applied to an audio application (be it MP3 playback, gaming, or watching a HD movie with higher bitrate audio). Purists will likely disable many of the effects such as Crystalizer and SBX Surround, but those options are there for users to experiment with.
The rear audio ports are all gold plated to ensure that the connection between the motherboard and the playback device is as robust as possible. The gold plating will wear less than a port with just aluminum connections. Gold also does not oxidize, unlike aluminum. In theory this will give you a longer lasting port which has superior electrical properties.
The second big feature is that of the Killer Ethernet product from Qualcomm. This is comprised of a pretty solid Atheros Ethernet controller combined with a fairly robust software solution that helps to shape network traffic. This solution does not have the QoS and networking features offloaded onto the networking chip like the original K1 did before Qualcomm bought them up. It is however a good solution that matches up well with the more expensive Intel networking chips and software stack. If a user does a lot of streaming or torrenting while playing games, this is certainly a good tool to help keep latency down in online gaming.
The rear outputs are pretty tame as compared to other offerings out there. Plenty of USB 2.0 ports as well as the two USB 3.0 units.
The board is comprised of Military Class 4 components. This means the usual suspects of high quality polymer caps and super ferrite chokes. In this particular design there are no Hi-C caps which have become popular in high end boards and their CPU power phases. These higher quality components give users some peace of mind due to the extremely low probability of an exploding cap. Given MSI’s history and the trouble they had in the early 2000s with knock-off capacitors, it is good that they are including these higher end components in even their value boards.
MSI’s UEFI implementation is nicely laid out and very efficient. It has the features and tools that one would expect from a modern firmware implementation. All of the settings are laid out in a very logical manner, depending on what the user wants to do. The Click BIOS 4 also includes a very intuitive and handy fan control system. Users can tweak the fans speeds according to their personal preferences. Want a quiet machine but do not mind higher temperatures? Not a problem. Going full out on maximum cooling where noise is not an issue? MSI can accommodate that as well. Also included is the OC Genie 4, which allows users to automatically overclock the system with a push of a button.
The “Gaming Port” optimizations that MSI has implemented for the USB 2.0 and PS/2 port on the back of the board are debatable in how effective they are. These ports have a thicker layer of gold in them than usual to improve connectivity and reduce potential wear when plugging/unplugging components. It is a nice touch that likely is not too much trouble to implement, but measurable results of such a feature are tenuous at best.
A closer look at the audio portion of this board. MSI looks to have spent a lot of time and effort to make this a quality selling point for this particular model.
MSI piles on the extras with their Command Center and Live Update 6 software bundles. Command Center is the overclocking and monitoring solution developed by MSI. This is a feature rich software suite that allows users to further tweak their setups from within Windows. Finer grained fan control, overclocking, and hardware monitoring are all wrapped into an attractive black/red motif that matches the colors of the board. MSI also includes an unlimited RAMDisk that allows users to partition of a portion of their main memory to use as a disk drive. Enabling this typically causes for longer bootups, but once the image is in main memory, then starting programs that are located on the RAMDisk is nearly instantaneous. I would only recommend using this for configurations with 16 GB and higher of main memory, but that is merely my personal preference talking.
The price point of this board is the strength of the board. It is available from $89 US to $99 US, depending on where it is purchased. This is very much a value board that looks an awful lot like a higher end enthusiast board. Multi-GPU? Check. High quality audio? Check. Powerful firmware that allows near infinite tweaking of system performance? It is all there. So where did MSI cut corners to get this product to the price point it is at?
The northbridge cooler is not massive, but it does the job. Note as well the chips that detect and route the appropriate PCI-E lanes when two GPUs are installed.
The answer to that one comes in two pieces. Using the AMD 970 and being able to split the PEG connection to support 2 x8 slots is a big one. The 970 is not supposed to support CrossFire and SLI, but MSI was able to skirt around that issue. The second big cut is that of the power delivery system. This is a 6+2 power phase setup, rather than the more common 8+2 that higher end boards utilize for AMD CPUs on AM3+. MSI also does not use higher end components like the above mentioned Hi-C caps. The combination of these two factors has allowed MSI to offer this board at a much lower price than expected considering its rich featureset.
Something else to consider is that the 970 Gaming does not officially support the FX-9000 series of CPUs. This is due to the less-than-robust 6+2 setup that is more common for AMD’s 100 watt TDP APUs than the 220 watt monsters that are the FX-9000 series. The caveat to this is that I tested this board with the FX-9590 with no problems.
This board is undeniably
This board is undeniably great for the price, but I wonder if they could have cut out the aesthetics and some of the less useful features in order to get a good 8 phase setup without increasing the price. That would be a perfect board. Seems like manufacturers just focus on features to be marketed instead of simple good quality. Still, at least it isn’t 4 phase, and handling the 9590 long term is certainly an accomplishment for such a cheap board. That long term testing is important for seeing if a board can truly handle a power-hungry CPU, so thanks for that.
Any plans to start doing video segments as part of the reviews like Ryan and Allyn do? You seem to have a lot of insightful comments during the podcast.
In this particular case, I
In this particular case, I think the aesthetics are pretty inexpensive… so not a lot of money to cut there. They still need heatsinks, and adding color accents to those is not really hard.
I will eventually start doing some videos here. I need to gather more equipment and figure out a good way to accomplish it. Thanks for your comments!
Thank you for Testing FX-9590
Thank you for Testing FX-9590 with your test, set up. Which with your set up, at least found out the my FX-9370 CPU will work with that motherboard.
I would like for them to
I would like for them to bring back the high-spec AM3+ microATX boards from a couple years ago.
For instance the Asus M5A88-M motherboard I’m currently using in one of my PCs. Compare this board to any other mATX AM3+ board currently available for purchase today and it’s completely obvious that the M5A88-M trumps those other mATX boards in every conceivable way. It has two USB 3.0 ports and 6 (SIX!) SATA 6.0Gb/s ports back when Intel only had two SATA 6.0 Gb/s for their mATX boards. Why did AMD suddenly stop adding the SB850 southbridge to their smaller motherboards and instead went back to a far inferior southbridge is a total mystery to me.
I would love to see a
I would love to see a Streaming Engine Board for the AMD line of CPU’s would definitely be interested in it. Could listen to streaming music, put voice comms on wifi to not interfere with the game, Stream. The possibilities are endless.
Is the USB 3.0 on this
Is the USB 3.0 on this motherboard capable of handling both the two ports in the back and two ports in the front via front panel? Or is it where the ports become shared speed between all four or either the front or the back depending on which is connected?
It seems like the way the VIA
It seems like the way the VIA chip is configured, it will likely share bandwidth and throttle the ports if more than 2 are in heavy use. I don't have confirmation of this, so the reality of the situation may not reflect what I am reading. Having said that, I am curious what kind of usage scenario would be common that all 4 USB 3.0 ports would be going full bore?
Where do you find this board
Where do you find this board for $89US?
When I was writing this, the
When I was writing this, the MSRP was $99 but I was able to find it at multiple places for $89. It seems that prices on the board have gone back up and there are fewer specials.
Can you give more information
Can you give more information on how to get headphones to work with the front audio jack? I cannot seem to get it working even though it detects. Thanks!
i don’t see front panel
i don’t see front panel connections is there any on this board
i don’t see front panel
i don’t see front panel connections is there any on this board
Just picked this board up
Just picked this board up with a fx-4300 processor (NVidia 650)for my son and it is working great, $100 for the MSI 970 gaming board and the fx-4300 chip. I just got him titan fall and he has leveled up to 40 within 4 days of playing and is kicking my but against my MSI Z87i setup with a i5 4670k (NVidia 970).
What is a good videokaart for
What is a good videokaart for this bord.
For 200 euro ore less
I use this board with an AMD
I use this board with an AMD FX 9590 and MSI Radeon R9 290x card, highly recommend watercooling. This chipset will catch fire it seems :p 85 degrees C.
All in all the board is a solid choice so far, if you can keep it cool.
im thinkin of getting this
im thinkin of getting this board too
is it stable running an 8350 and R9-290X without forcing constant voltage and forcing higher clock speed for the gpu ?
thanks,
mike
what cooler did you and would
what cooler did you and would Cooler Master V8 be good for it
I just got the MSI 970 gaming
I just got the MSI 970 gaming with FX-8300. On the FX chip box they state you will get better OC with air cooled vs water cooling. I’m using Cryorig Hi with push pull fan added to the H7. I’m doing a slight OC running 4.16GHZ all the time. I’m running at 43C. Also picked the board up for $99 with $10 mail in rebate. I should be getting lower temps here pretty soon. Because I’m going to be replacing the six fans in my tower. To higher output fans.
I picked up this mobo and the
I picked up this mobo and the only issue I had with it is that for some reason my cpu voltage somehow got reduced in bios from the offset I had set for it. I OC’d my amd 8310 to 4Ghz and had it stable at 1.336v(used the voltage offset in bios), then last weekend I power on my rig and it won’t even post. I trouble shot everything and thought the cpu failed, then I cleared the cmos data and when I booted it up I noticed in bios the auto voltage setting was only providing my cpu with 0.970v, LESS THAN A VOLT! I couldn’t even boot windows and I’m surprised it had enough voltage to post. I had to use the voltage offset to get it to 1.228v to stabilize it. Other than that no problems, you can help keep board temps down by using a top down cpu cooler, I have the big typ revo. That coupled with my side vent fans give me great cooling for the board.
Do you know if this unstable
Do you know if this unstable voltage issue is common or a one off thing? because I am buying this board and if this is a common problem then I may look at getting a different one.
What power supply are you using? Could it be that?
i want to use a fx-8320cpu in
i want to use a fx-8320cpu in it and use the stock cooler but i am scared for vrm failures or anything that could shut it down. i am not planning on overclocking yet but i dont know if its going to be too hot in there with just a stock cooler. can anyone explain me possible problems?
How dit you get the r9 280(x)
How dit you get the r9 280(x) working
I asked it because i getting and error of 1 long and 2 short beeps
I just bought the 970, with
I just bought the 970, with fx 9590, on pcpartpicker it says it is incompatible, because of voltage… Help!
yeah ive just got a fx9590
yeah ive just got a fx9590 seeing alot places as its a 140 max vault bord wont work in bord tryingsee if theres a bios update like ive read for some boards wot did you do
This is a great board, I
This is a great board, I picked one up for $109 CDN which is about $70US these days. It’s only rated for 200W TDP processors which excludes the 9XXX series. I’m running at 8320 at 4.2 GHz and it’s rock solid stable. Given the features and aesthetics, it’s one of my favourite boards (even over the two ASUS ROG boards I have.)
I have a MSI 970 gaming board
I have a MSI 970 gaming board FX6300 processor enermax 620 650w peak power supply. 2 x4 gb kingston hyper x genesis memory khx1600c9d3k2/8gx, asus r9 380 4gb graphics card. crucial BX200 SSD 240. dvd drive.
I try to install windows 10 from disc I get to the restart after utilities and files and updates it counts down restarts then says device drivers loaded and hangs .
All parts are new bar the kingston memory which worked fine in my asus old mother board.
I have tried to load windows 8.1 dvd original and see below
I have tried loading an 8.1 image from the usb drive which was down loaded from microsoft
I have flashed and updated the bios to the current version but still no joy completing boot. everything is seen in the bios setup.
any body have any suggestions.
it fires up gets to the install goes through it not always though.
how much wattage do this
how much wattage do this M-board uses