AMD's Godavari architecture is the last one based on Bulldozer, which will hold the company's product stack over until their Zen architecture arrives in 2016. The A10-7870K was added a month ago, with a 95W TDP at a MSRP of $137 USD. This involved a slight performance bump of +200 MHz at its base frequency, but a +100 MHz higher Turbo than its predecessor when under high load. More interesting, it does this at the same TDP and the same basic architecture.
Remember that these are AMD's benchmarks.
The refresh has been expanded to include the A8-7670K. Some sites have reported that this uses the Excavator architecture as seen in Carrizo, but this is not the case. It is based on Steamroller. This product has a base clock of 3.6 GHz with a Turbo of up to 3.9 GHz. This is a +300 MHz Base and +100 MHz Turbo increase over the previous A8-7650K. Again, this is with the same architecture and TDP. The GPU even received a bit of a bump, too. It is now clocked at 757 MHz versus the previous generation's 720 MHz with all else equal, as far as I can tell. This should lead to a 5.1% increase in GPU compute throughput.
The A8-7670K just recently launched for an MSRP of $117.99. This 20$ saving should place it in a nice position below the A10-7870K for mainstream users.
A8 Price: 108.00
i3:
A8 Price: 108.00
i3: 120.00
pent: 75.00
thanks AMD.
PC Per , where is the 390x
PC Per , where is the 390x review. Years ago you’d be all over a new line of gfx cards (even if they’re a so called “re-brand”. But here I am still waiting for that 390x review.
there is a lot of suppression
there is a lot of suppression on the 300 series. for some reason.
no one can get review samples.
I have no idea why. but its not imaginary.
Jayz2 Cents has reviewed a 390 and so has OC3d (if you dont mind 40 minute rambling on) no 380’s not 370’s.
Amd knows its all bad, and ppl are quite upset how they not only renamed to 300 series, but also renamed the chips. it’s borderline shady business if you ask me.
I swear AMD wants to fail. its like they have given up. or for some reason the people that are in charge are doing such a bad job, they are suppressing the share price, maybe to have the real person they are working for buy it up at such a low price.
I really think this is happening. cause MUBADALA DEVELOPMENT CO PJSC owns majority stake. and they wont sell.
So what a better way, then perform so poorly the shares drop so bad, that they get bought out, and you will see who helped. they will keep their jobs. or get huge payouts
What are you talking about?
What are you talking about? There are reviews and cards everywhere.
Yep. And the 390 basically
Yep. And the 390 basically gives 290X performance, but with twice the memory and a better selection of ports.
Nothing groundbreaking – that was limited to the Fury in this release – but by no means a bad card.
The 300 series is the last of
The 300 series is the last of a deprecated rebrand, and that comes part and parcel with the introduction of the newer technology on Fury, and the same goes for any of Nvidia’s new products that will get the limelight while the older generation/rebrands will get modest improvements but otherwise ignored. The lack of attention means better prices can be had for the rebrands, and the modest improvements can be had for the same and lower price than the previous generation’s SKUs. Retailers will sure be offering better 300 series pricing just to clear the inventory, and some users will make out better with some great deals, and be ready for HBM2 based devices when they are offered. If the rebrand has good enough performance improvements, and extended driver support for the newer graphics APIs then it does not matter if it is based on older technology GCN/Whatever, and if the rebrand is not getting the attention, then than means the prices will come down quicker, and the Microcenter types of retailers will be putting them on sale earlier than expected.
Ryan reviewed the 390 Nitro
Ryan reviewed the 390 Nitro back in July, but yeah, we didn't review anything else. I'm not sure why.
A 390x is a 290x with a 50mhz
A 390x is a 290x with a 50mhz gpu clock bump and 1000mhz memory clock dump. few reviews that have been out for it only shows around 10% difference between the 2. It is a complete rebrand even though AMD claims its not.
1GHz on the memory is not
1GHz on the memory is not something to ignore, and 8GBs are really nice. It is of course a rebrand, but it does have to offer a few extras over the 290 series.
Anyway companies, like us, wait for the 16nm.
a rebrand doesnt give 10%
a rebrand doesnt give 10% better perf. + decent power improvements
its a refresh card theirs
its a refresh card theirs been alot of performance upgrades to the 390 card.it would be a rebrand if the cards where exactly the same but they did improved on it better memory and a more mature chip
which is better a10 7870k or
which is better a10 7870k or fx 8350 for both gaming and cpu performance
8350. An APU like the A10
8350. An APU like the A10 7870K is the only option you have IF you want a cheap entry level gaming/esposts system where you are 200% sure that you will NOT add a discrete GPU in the near future.
I built a computer for my
I built a computer for my wife and kids with an AMD A10-6700, which doesn’t perform as well as the 7870K but draws only 65 watts. The Kaveri (latest desktop APU generation) equivalent is the A10-7800. So less performance, but also lower price, less power draw, and less noise from cooling fans.
With the A10-6700 and Windows it can play Call of Duty: Black Ops 2 or Starcraft 2 just fine with graphics not at the max settings, and it runs Chrome and Firefox just fine. I don’t regret getting it.
APUs are great for a balanced
APUs are great for a balanced system. Intel gives you better CPU performance, but if you intent to start a 3D game, you will have to go for an extra graphics card. AMD on the other hand gives you Ok performance and good multitasking thanks to the four cores and at the same time enough GPU performance to run new games.
But still, the prices on the first Kaveri’s, with 7850K going as much as 175 dollars, where just too high. Today APUs are good value. In a year from now, with DirectX12’s asynchronous multi-GPU they might become even more interesting and probably that’s why Intel tries to improve their iGPU performance.
Intel does have better CPU
Intel does have better CPU performance but CPU performance is mostly irrelevant for day to day task. Almost any modern CPU will perform fine for web surfing and such. Even low end gaming with a low to mid range gpu is relatively insensitive to the CPU power. Considering how cheap an AMD motherboard is, I think the prices are good for a complete system. Also, AMD generally gives you more cores/threads for the same price. Once DX12 games come out, this may allow low-end AMD parts to outperform low-end Intel parts.
First time in years I am
First time in years I am considering building an AMD powered rig. My ex needs a machine where a core i3-4160 would be sufficient for her uses. If the performance numbers are within a stones throw of what AMD claims, the A8 would be a much better choice.
These AMD performance graph’s
These AMD performance graph’s are worthless to even read. If you do some research on the programs they use, they are all programs that can be GPU accelerated. So if programs she uses are then it would help but most likely they are not so the numbers in those graph’s mean nothing to real work use.
yea he said his girlfriend
yea he said his girlfriend only needs like an i3 so im guessing shes not gaming or doing anything intense so an A8 or A 10 would be fine it cheaper and if she ever wanted to play a game she has the option too at very low settings.if shes browsing lots of browsers using the gpu to accelerate stuff too so he get a good price and performance ratio.only get an i3 if you ever want to upgrade to i5 or i7
My wife’s PC with an A10-6700
My wife’s PC with an A10-6700 Richland (on Windows) runs Firefox, Chrome, LibreOffice, Photoshop Elements for casual use, Minecraft, and Starcraft 2 just fine. The games have the graphics set relatively low, of course.
These APUs are strictly a bang-for-buck offering. A core i3 plus dedicated $75 GPU plus motherboard beats an APU in every benchmark plus motherboard across the board, but costs maybe $50-$100 more total, takes up more space in the case, and draws more power due to the dedicated video card. For consumers shopping in the $350-$600 off the shelf or custom built PC range, an AMD APU is a fine choice.
If you have $600 or more to spend, or aren’t going to run any games more graphically intensive than Quake 2 and are satisfied with Intel HD 3000 or HD 4000 graphics, then Intel wins.
Yes but that i3, needs either
Yes but that i3, needs either AMD’s or Nvidia’s discrete GPU help to game and a 75$ GPU at that. Zen’s IPC just needs to be in that ball park against Haswell’s or Boradwell’s CPU IPC performance metrics, and AMD’s graphics will accelerate that performance to even greater levels. An AMD APU matched up with a dedicated AMD GPU will be even better all around for the price, and both GPUs can be utilized for whatever workloads. $600 could get an APU and much better GPU with matched integrated and discrete graphics working together, for gaming and graphics workloads. The Vulkan graphics API is the very definition of an HSA aware Graphics API, and the other GPGPU acceleration tasks are made available on the Vulkan API with the Vulkan SPIR-V Intermediate language/LLVM providing the same functionality as the HSA foundation’s HSAIL. OpenCL uses SPIR-V and now that Vulkan uses SPIR-V, GPGPU will be standard inside the Vulkan API.
Having GPUs integrated and discrete with better SP/ROP/FP/DP, other, units will be essential for workload acceleration, graphics or otherwise, now that the application software, and the graphics APIs are becoming able to utilize the GPU for more than just graphics. Intel will not be able to continue to skimp on graphics execution resources least it find itself behind in acceleration capabilities on the new GPU accelerated application ecosystem, and graphics API ecosystem that is just beginning to come online.
It’s going to be even more competitive once Zen comes on line, with HSA, and HBM adding to the total processing ability of AMDs APUs, and we are talking about APUs built on a silicon interposer with 10s of thousands of micro-bumps coming off of the processor DIE, bringing back parallel data transfer between HBM, the CPU, and GPU, once there are APUs on an interposer look for more than just the usual x16 PCIe connection between CPU and GPU, look for wide(potentially thousand+ bits wide) parallel direct connections between CPU, and GPU, in addition to the 4096 bit connections with the HBM stacks. we are talking about the CPU core able to feed kernels directly to the GPU, or a dedicated CPU on die functional block that can directly feed the GPU with Kernels for tasks that can not wait such as context changes and such, to come from memory accesses, HBM or otherwise. The High End gaming APU is Just around the corner(Derived for the HPC/workstation APUs), and the silicon interposer with its ability to have 10s of thousands of traces not just to the HBM, but additionally wide channels directly between the CPU and GPU, is a game changer. No PCB will ever be able to match the silicon interposer for numbers of traces, to whatever is placed(CPU, GPU, HBM, FPGA, etc.) on the interposer.
Edit: (Derived for the
Edit: (Derived for the HPC/workstation APUs),
To : (Derived from the HPC/workstation APUs),
So I’d like to see some
So I’d like to see some Carrizo Laptop based SKUs get these exact same tests/benchmarks, and some benchmarking from PCPER, the software is catching up to HSA, and at least there is some potential for even greater improvement once the APUs with HSA 1.0 standards compliance begin arriving. With Blender 3d adding Cycles rendering support for AMD’s GCN graphics, folks that need a more affordable laptops based on APUs with great graphics abilities will appreciate AMD’s work with HSA and GPGPU acceleration. GPU acceleration is being built into many gaming engines, as well as general purpose computing applications and even LibreOffice has spread sheet GPGPU acceleration. I’m looking forward to more GPGPU ray tracing acceleration being done on the GPU, instead of waiting hours for a quad core i7 to complete a simple ray tracing rendering just because I turned the ray sample rate up on my lights. And those performance graphics are important to those that make the games that people play, all those 3d models and baked textures don’t just magically pop out of the either! So all this HSA means that I do not have to worry about spending my money on expensive laptop SKUs with Intel quad core i7s, just for Ray Tracing workloads, I can get a Carrizo based laptop and render on the GPU, and AMD’s GPUs are becoming gradually more integrated with the GPU on AMDs current and future SKUs and the ability to use the GPU for any and all computing tasks will become even more important.
Just wait for all the Vulkan/Dx12 benchmarks, and AMD’s GPUs get more improvement as the graphics driver tweaks begin coming online, and the newer generation graphics APIs will bring even more improvements to AMDs offerings.
Edit: AMD’s GPUs are becoming
Edit: AMD’s GPUs are becoming gradually more integrated with the GPU
to: AMD’s CPUs are becoming gradually more integrated with the GPU
These graphs are not lying,
These graphs are not lying, it’s just that of you use ANYTHING else except those apps, you might as well flip the graphs the other way around.
If it’s an office rig you’re trying to build, go for a 5350 + 256GB SSD in stead of an i3/A8+HDD
Advices are free, but it happens I have buid the above rig. An SSD plus any quad CPU (a BayTrail could be as good) will make for a decent rig.
Those benchmarks are all GPU
Those benchmarks are all GPU accelerated. So AMD are cheating just a little…
Just a Little? This is normal
Just a Little? This is normal AMD PR crap for their APU’s. Use GPU accelerated programs to make their stuff look great but in real word app’s it would be much different story.
All companies throw normal PR
All companies throw normal PR crap, but some people are only offended by AMD.
As far as real world apps
As far as real world apps that people are using, those applications fit the definition of mainstream graphics applications that people use, especially the game creators without which the games themselves would not exist. So the games vary existence depend on these so called by you “non real world app’s”[sic]. The only thing non real world is your logic, and you definitely have an agenda, most likely funded by the hand that feeds you!
how is it cheating when a
how is it cheating when a company uses what their product has to accelerate performance, intel has better performance in alot of other stuff is it cheating a little when they use their architecture to do things faster.this was the point of AMDs Apus to use the graphics processor to speed up alot of stuff and since more more programs are using the gpu
If they showed both CPU and
If they showed both CPU and accelerated benchmarks, that wouldn’t be cheating at all. Now that even common apps like spreadsheets are starting to support HSA, AMD have a genuine advantage. But they shouldn’t exaggerate it.
Not cheating, it just means
Not cheating, it just means that HSA aware software is becoming better able to utilize AMDs graphics to get the work done, any workloads, while Intel just sits there shoehorning its mediocre graphics onto its CPUs and not providing the SP/ROP/Other execution resources that AMD, or Nvidia provides with their graphics. The real cheating is being done by Intel, leaving users with dead and unused Die area by not having the ability to better utilize the GPU recourses that they have, as anemic as they are! Intel is cheating users out of their hard earned dollars, and charging top dollar just to get their so call “Pro” graphics! GPU acceleration is not cheating, having GPUs that can not be useful for acceleration is the real cheat, and what top end games(4k) are played on Intel’s graphics. HBM and APUs will be brought together in the next generation of APUs and then those AMD numbers will be even better, and do not forget Zen is on the way, so the IPC improvements and GPU acceleration benchmarks will be even higher. Move over CPU only, the GPU is taking over general purpose computation in a massively parallel way!
oh geez
ok here.
A8-7650k
oh geez
ok here.
A8-7650k (couldn’t find 70k) passmark: 4810
i3 4160 passmark: 5037
pen: 3341
again i couldn’t find the 7670k so this is a slower model….so there isn’t much of a diff in per with that i3.
not bad for a 100.00 chip.
and just a reminder…intel
and just a reminder…intel fanboys
athlon 860k passmark: 5645
75.00 chip, suck it.