Retail cards still suffer from the issue
In the initial reviews of the AMD Fury X graphics card we reported on some annoying coil whine. Does it still exist with the retail cards?
In our review of AMD's latest flagship graphics card, the Radeon R9 Fury X, I noticed and commented on the unique sound that the card was producing during our testing. A high pitched whine, emanating from the pump of the self-contained water cooler designed by Cooler Master, was obvious from the moment our test system was powered on and remained constant during use. I talked with a couple of other reviewers about the issue before the launch of the card and it seemed that I wasn't alone. Looking around other reviews of the Fury X, most make mention of this squeal specifically.
Noise from graphics cards come in many forms. There is the most obvious and common noise from on-board fans and the air it moves. Less frequently, but distinctly, the sound of inductor coil whine comes up. Fan noise spikes when the GPU gets hot, causing the fans to need to spin faster and move more air across the heatsink, which keeps everything running cool. Coil whine changes pitch based on the frame rate (and the frequency of power delivery on the card) and can be alleviated by using higher quality components on the board itself.
But the sound of our Fury X was unique: it was caused by the pump itself and it was constant. The noise it produced did not change as the load on the GPU varied. It was also 'pitchy' – a whine that seemed to pierce through other sounds in the office. A close analog might be the sound of an older, CRT TV or monitor that is left powered on without input.
In our review process, AMD told us the solution was fixed. In an email sent to the media just prior to the Fury X launch, an AMD rep stated:
In regards to the “pump whine”, AMD received feedback that during open bench testing some cards emit a mild “whining” noise. This is normal for most high speed liquid cooling pumps; Usually the end user cannot hear the noise as the pumps are installed in the chassis, and the radiator fan is louder than the pump. Since the AMD Radeon™ R9 Fury X radiator fan is near silent, this pump noise is more noticeable.
The issue is limited to a very small batch of initial production samples and we have worked with the manufacturer to improve the acoustic profile of the pump. This problem has been resolved and a fix added to production parts and is not an issue.
I would disagree that this is "normal" but even so, taking AMD at its word, I wrote that we heard the noise but also that AMD had claimed to have addressed it. Other reviewers noted the same comment from AMD, saying the result was fixed. But very quickly after launch some users were posting videos on YouTube and on forums with the same (or worse) sounds and noise. We had already started bringing in a pair of additional Fury X retail cards from Newegg in order to do some performance testing, so it seemed like a logical next step for us to test these retail cards in terms of pump noise as well.
First, let's get the bad news out of the way: both of the retail AMD Radeon R9 Fury X cards that arrived in our offices exhibit 'worse' noise, in the form of both whining and buzzing, compared to our review sample. In this write up, I'll attempt to showcase the noise profile of the three Fury X cards in our possession, as well as how they compare to the Radeon R9 295X2 (another water cooled card) and the GeForce GTX 980 Ti reference design – added for comparison.
Sound Testing Setup
First and foremost, none of us claim to be experts on sound or sound monitoring. (Allyn might be, but he isn't writing this.) As such, what you'll see here in today's story is our quick thoughts on the sound levels emitted by a handful of graphics cards, how those sounds look empirically and then how we react to them viscerally.
In an attempt to try to reproduce the sounds for our readers to experience them along with us, and also to later import sound files into Audacity for a little evaluation, we recorded each of the graphics cards using our Zoom H6 recorder – a high quality device that is able to pick up more precise and wide ranging audio than a phone or basic sound level meter. We set the microphone on a stand and left it 8-inches from the side of the graphics card while running.
While I realize that this recording is not exactly how the sound will emanate from inside your chassis of choice, the truth is that any number of cases will change the sound in any number of ways. Cases with fan openings on the side panel might echo the sound around and make it louder; those with sound dampening material might lessen the deep sounds of air movement while doing nothing for the high pitched frequencies of the Fury X pump. To eliminate all of these "ifs", we decided to go right to source, then present the data and let the users evaluate it for themselves.
Also, what you use to playback the WAV files will affect your response as well. Are you trying to hear it on cheap notebook speakers or a high quality 7.1 channel setup? Do you have the bass turned up or the treble? Do you have studio monitors with a perfectly flat frequency response? All of this will alter how YOU hear the sounds that WE recorded and may differ from how I hear them directly while sitting next to the GPU test bed. In short, what we want you to do is listen to the files and videos in this story but also to trust what we are telling you from an editorial perspective.
Sound Results
Our results will be presented both visually and in the form of a downloadable WAV file.
Let's just dive into this; below is a WAV file that includes six different video cards cut together in a specific order.
Download WAV File
Download WAV File with +12 db gain
The audio you hear goes:
- AMD Fury X (review sample)
- AMD Fury X (retail card 1)
- AMD Fury X (retail card 2)
- AMD R9 295X2
- GTX 980 Ti Reference (idle)
- GTX 980 Ti Reference (load)
Waveform of the downloadable file
For all intents and purposes, both the AMD Fury X graphics cards and the R9 295X2 run at the same sound levels and sound profiles in idle as they do under a full gaming load. So while those cards are only heard one time, the GTX 980 Ti with its reference cooler is much louder under load and is thus presented both ways in this evaluation.
While I already mentioned that everyone's experience with a WAV file is going to differ based on the playback device, the results in our office are very distinct.
First, the AMD Fury X sample that we received from AMD for review is the quietest of the three Fury X cards we tested – by a lot. I don't think we can claim that AMD did that on purpose (attempting to give the media "golden samples" when it comes to sound quality) but it's clear that what I heard and commented on in the review was not as bad as it gets. You might have to turn up your speakers a bit to hear it, but if you are in a quiet location, you'll definitely make out the high pitched sound I was referring to.
The second Fury X card (retail card 1) has a much louder sound too, which includes both a high pitched whine as well as a consistent buzz to it. The buzz did not seem to change in relation to game frame rate like a coil whine would, but the sound is somewhat similar. The third Fury X (retail card 2) has a lower tone to it, but it still has the tell-tale high pitched sound of the pump behind it.
The 295X2 does not appear to have any kind of high pitched pump noise. Unlike the Fury X, it does have a fan located on the center of the card that is spinning fast enough to generate air noise and a softer buzzing sound.
For the GeForce GTX 980 Ti, at idle the card has an excellent sound profile. There is no high pitch and there is very little air movement to generate noise. Under load, that definitely changes. The GTX 980 Ti and its blower fan design moves a lot of air! The sound is definitely louder than the AMD Fury X cards, although the tone is radically different.
This level comparison from Audacity shows us the typical sound levels from all six portions of the sound file above. Pay attention to the blue lines more so than the green colored-in bars as those indicate the peaks of the sound's loudness. You can definitely tell that our review sample of the Fury X is the lowest sound level of the three Fiji cards we have in-house and, even though the retail Fury X (card 1) had a more "annoying" sound than the other two, its loudness falls in the middle. The 295X2 is louder than all three Fury X cards even though it doesn't have anything resembling the high pitched noise of the new flagships.
The GTX 980 Ti is incredibly quiet at idle but has the "loudest" sound level under a full gaming load.
Let's see if the sound profiles tell us anything else.
AMD Fury X (review sample) Frequency Breakdown
The AMD Fury X sound profile looks like this. There are spikes all over the place here including one at around 1900 Hz, where a sample generated tone appears to match the whine of the Fury X cooler's pump.
AMD Fury X (retail card ) Frequency Breakdown
The first retail AMD Fury X has a similar sound profile to the sample before (note that the scale on the left hand side of loudness changes from graph to graph – sorry!). At right around 1900 Hz, we have another spike that reaches -37 db.
GeForce GTX 980 Ti Reference Cooler (Load) Frequency Breakdown
We can go ahead and assume that at idle we'll see only good things on the 980 Ti reference card but what about under load? The first thing you'll see is that the frequency breakdown is a lot smoother and more evenly distributed, without the spikes that permeate through the Fury X results. Those spikes are what allow some particular frequency to stand out over the others and is why the GTX 980 Ti sounds so different, although perhaps louder, than the Fury X cards.
Closing Thoughts
There are few things to take away from this testing. First, the currently selling and shipping AMD Radeon R9 Fury X cards do not include any kind of fix for the pump whine or sound levels of the cooler. Though AMD tells me that we just had a miscommunication or misinterpretation of the comments they shared with us prior to our NDA, I think it is at the very least fair to say that AMD was hoping to deflect the issue on launch day. Now that retail cards are out and end users (not just us) are getting their hands on them, I think its obvious that the sound issues are more of a problem than AMD would like to admit.
Second, the sound of the Fury X cards is very different than the sounds you are used to seeing associated with current flagship graphics cards. Even though the NVIDIA GTX 980 Ti reference cooler is louder than the Fury X under a gaming load, the high frequency of the sounds we are hearing on the Fury X make it more annoying and grating. Everyone's tolerance for this kind of thing is going to be slightly different, but all three people in our office agreed that we would rather hear the more "white-noise-like" sounds of air movement at a constant rate than the high pitched squeal that AMD is dealing with.
Also, it is worth noting that the high frequency sound from the Fury X cards is constant, even when idle and in Windows. Gamers with headphones or speakers blaring while playing some Witcher 3 or Project Cars will likely not hear any of the sounds of the louder flagship cards we are looking at today. But when browsing reddit, or PC Perspective of course, the Fury X pump will still whine at you when the GTX 980 Ti cooler would output much less sound.
I continue to stand by my assertion that the AMD Fury X cooler has a frustrating high pitched whine that is likely avoidable with some more control over the production quality. It seems clear now as well that if AMD has in fact issued a fix for this issue with its partner Cooler Master, the first waves of Fury X cards do not include it, so buyer beware if you are sensitive to this kind of complaint. Does it change my overall opinion of the Fury X as a gaming card? Maybe slightly, but not by much. Hopefully AMD will be able to supply us with a true fix soon and we can start to see gamers getting those updated cards in their hands as well.
UPDATE 1 (7/2/15): It looks like pumps with a different sticker on them might have actually have a changed sound profile!
Great job trying to show what
Great job trying to show what actual gamers will be dealing with.
Although some rabid AMD fanboys will complain if you do anything but repost benchmarks from AMD’s slides or RG, people actually about to spend their money on a card (I guess we’d call them “gaming fanboys”) surely appreciate this.
BTW – Sempron? Out of all the CPU’s AMD has made over the years, you pick the Sempron? What a moron. Even AMD employees would admit that Sempron sucked. You’re likely one of the guys who chipped the corner on their Athlon XP. Herp Derp.
Sempron is much like the
Sempron is much like the current Pentium brand lol
the cheapest and slowest of them all 😉
LOL good one ++1
LOL good one ++1
lol yep, using Sempron as
lol yep, using Sempron as avatar just screams SUPER SPECIAL AMD FANBOY 🙂
Damned if old chizow does not
Damned if old chizow does not have sock puppets on his hands and feet and is going quad puppet on his posts! All for his favorite brand, and pronounced inferiority complex! Old chizow’s so dumbstruck with his favorite brand of cash drain, and what of the rent on the Johnny on the spot outhouse that has not been pumped of its brown ooze! OMG he lit his Bugler on the throne and the fumes ignited, it’s another shooting/stinking star, arching in a trajectory over the waning crescent again. The townsfolk know the smell and the spectacle of old chizow’s hardware monkey, and he’s got to let the whole world know, with his show and smell.
lol more neckbeard tech
lol more neckbeard tech poetry, you must be a hoot irl, lay off the bath salts and glue.
All these armchair engineers
All these armchair engineers and experts, fucking pathetic.
I stay anon because want to. Don’t even care for specific people with handles because I go to more than 15 tech sites to read and comment and don’t feel like making dozens of accounts all over the damn fucking INTERNET!
For you all thinking all anons are Chizow think again.
Ik ben geen iemand die liever anon blijft en geef neppe account maakt om een bepaalde bedrijf aan te bieden!
+1, its amazing that AMD
+1, its amazing that AMD fanboys think I’m the only one of the same mindset that AMD is 2nd-rate, when nearly 75% of the market prefers Nvidia for similar reasons.
Ryan – Do you plan any
Ryan – Do you plan any testing in a closed air case situation? Would the higher pitch be more muffled in a case situation than a lower pitched sound?
I applaud the thorough testing but am a bit nervous about all of the results being based on an open air platform sitting very close to the instrument checking for noise…
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Closed air case situation
Closed air case situation testing would actually be a good idea. I am curious on whether a closed case can lessen the annoying whine enough.
man this look bad for AMD bad
man this look bad for AMD bad it looks even worse for Cooler master water coolers.hope they fix this in the newer cards
Not just limited to
Not just limited to Coolermaster, I’ve had to RMA 3 corsair AIO’S over the past 2 years, a h60 and 2 h100’s due to pump whine, and about to go for my 4th with defective LEDs on a h100i. I think the OEM needs a kick in the backside. I’ m with the green team ATM but I feel for AMD when they don’t make the pumps themselves.
Damn you AMD fanatics who
Damn you AMD fanatics who blame PCPER and all the other sites for exposing Fiji Fury’s flaws, you fool tools should blame AMD for releasing a unfinished product to the gaming public. AMD knows Gamers are paying big bucks for a flawed Fury and are getting ripped off but they lie and mislead, AMD’s Cred is DEAD.
AMD’s Joe Macri talked big time about Fury’s overclock potential but again AMD could walk their hype pumping talk.
AMD Overclocking potential of Fury is very disappointing, and memory overclocking has been disabled completely. What’s more troubling is the limited GPU overclocking potential. The GM200 GPU on GeForce GTX 980 Ti and Titan X overclocks much better, which means that with both cards overclocked to the max, GTX 980 Ti will have a large performance lead over an overclocked Fury X.
Damn you AMD fanatics who
Damn you AMD fanatics who blame PCPER and all the other sites for exposing Fiji Fury’s flaws, you fool tools should blame AMD for releasing a unfinished product to the gaming public. AMD knows Gamers are paying big bucks for a flawed Fury and are getting ripped off but they lie and mislead, AMD’s Cred is DEAD.
AMD’s Joe Macri talked big time about Fury’s overclock potential but again AMD could walk their hype pumping talk.
AMD Overclocking potential of Fury is very disappointing, and memory overclocking has been disabled completely. What’s more troubling is the limited GPU overclocking potential. The GM200 GPU on GeForce GTX 980 Ti and Titan X overclocks much better, which means that with both cards overclocked to the max, GTX 980 Ti will have a large performance lead over an overclocked Fury X.
3 AMD Furys in one place?
3 AMD Furys in one place? That’s probably almost the entire supply in the timezone.
lol +1
Although there is some
lol +1
Although there is some supply, AMD marketing is just working overtime and forcing you to buy a random bag-o-crap to get a Fury X 🙂
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.2401345
Put your headphones on and
Put your headphones on and game like a big boy. Noise… duh, I can’t even hear shit outside my headphones when gaming. Think I care 1 bit about a little pump or coil making noise? Look at the pro gamers when they are gaming on stage… are they worried about the buzz from the crowd? Y’all library nerds need to just get over the noise and whiners… game for real.
If you read the story and
If you read the story and some of the comments, PCPer says the problem is not as big of a deal during gaming, but more of an annoyance at idle. I personally don’t wear my headphones when I don’t have to because they get hot, so obviously people aren’t going to wear them when doing work, reading, browsing etc etc where this buzzing will be most annoying.
I know that any kinds of high pitched noise or non-uniform oscillation is very distracting to me to the point I’ve tracked down individual fans going bad and rattling because it was so annoying.
can this be resolved by
can this be resolved by software/firmware or is this a hardware problem? also a close case test would be appreciated.
thanks
I’ve read reports this is
I’ve read reports this is apparently a common problem on Cooler Master CLC AIO pumps, but it can be mitigated using their software when the pump is connected to a 4-pin mobo connector.
I guess the question is whether or not AMD has control over the pump speed, but my guess is they do not if they let this get to retail without a Day 1 hot fix.
Excellent review and
Excellent review and follow-through Ryan, thanks for keeping this place real; it’s why I keep stopping by.
What a humiliation AMD!
What were they thinking over at AMD, ‘Microsoft is buying us, so who cares if we lose customer faith?’ Well, that just can’t be it; right! So, why, why AMD?
It is all so fundamental. This is how we grow a business, and this is how we destroy a business. Choose one.
Maybe fury owners would like
Maybe fury owners would like to spend another $10 on some acoustic sheet which is very effective on absorbing high pitched noise.
That’s way too much work.
That’s way too much work. People of these generation have too many other choices, not really, but would rather not have to tinker with things. Which is ironic, because supposedly people at this stage of buying high end parts would also be willing to mod the hell out of their case.
But yeah, maintenance is a very big thing in general. And in this current economy, it is kind of king.
My 8800 GTX cured me of ever
My 8800 GTX cured me of ever buying another blower card.
A decade+ of water cooling has me very wary of supposedly “silent” AIO units.
Both reference designs are terrible, and AMD just plain lying about it just puts the cherry on top of this botched launch.
Very quick to look into
Very quick to look into potential issues with AMd products over here aren’t we? It took a lot of poking and prodding before pcper gave the 970 memory configuration a look and even then 2 weeks later it was a lame half-ass dismissive look. QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU ALL;
WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU SAW A MAXWELL SLI FCAT REVIEW ON PCPER?
Another question comes to
Another question comes to mind:
Does any of that stuff make the Fury X less of an ear-sore?
Why would anyone try to deflect AMD’s terrible design choices and subsequent lies? So that more people buy noisy GPUs?
Uhh no, not completely true.
Uhh no, not completely true. It’s mainly to rationalize why they decided to go with one “team” of products instead of the other.
When you buy something, you actually force yourself to like it more because of the fact that you spent something to get it. There’s some psychological study on this where test subjects were to choose paintings they like best. The main variable they were studying was that one group could easily switch between paintings, while the other group were forced to pick one painting. The group with only one painting choice were found out to have liked their painting more than the group that can switch between paintings. This study reveals that the group that stuck with one painting would rationalize why they chose this painting.
This is akin to a person buying a product. Since they have already bought the card with money they can’t necessary get back easily, rationalization and to a more extreme extent, fanboyism.
dear PCPER,
thanks for all
dear PCPER,
thanks for all your investigation.
i noticed that for framerate issues on AMD you spend more articles with fcat testing on many games.
for nvidia gtx 970 vram issue a little test on bf4, cod (lol!) and shadow mordord to prove that ON FRAPS (no fcat… lol) the frame rate was the same when is well known that 3.5 + 0.5 gb problems gives stutter and no framerate slowdown.
now a big article with great test on furyx coil whine… “the same” as the coil whine issues on gtx 970… really? https://pcper.com/news/Graphics-Cards/GeForce-GTX-970-Coil-Whine-Concerns
it seems that FOR YOU every amd problems needs to be full investigated and every nvidia problems isn’t a problem or it’s a small problem and not to be investigated…
kinda agree. i felt like they
kinda agree. i felt like they got the message after all the shit they got around freesync but maybe they are falling back into it again. the pump noise seems legit tho. lots of other ppl are taking about it and if amd lied that they fixed it then they deserve this.
I know its added expense but
I know its added expense but how does a water cooled (customized) 980ti stack up against the Fury?
NZXT make a AIO GPU cooler and mount that isn’t too expensive.
I have a reference GTX980 Ti
I have a reference GTX980 Ti and removed the reference cooler and put on the NZXT Kraken G10 on there and I can overlcok further on teh core up to 1575Mhz stable in benchamrks like 3DMard Firestrike getting 22K+ graphics score. Other games would not hold that clock after about an hour so stable is 1525Mhz core & 8100Mhz memory.
While gaming temps I get never reach 55c and benchmarks nver go over 60c
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At least my VRM’s get cooled
At least my VRM’s get cooled by a big fan not like the Fury X getting to 100c in that closed up box…
http://www.guru3d.com/news-st
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/amd-fixes-r9-fury-x-whining-noises.html
^ the issue has been fixed by
^ the issue has been fixed by amd
another link
https://www.techpowerup.com/213993/amd-revises-pump-block-design-for-radeon-r9-fury-x.html
look for a monochrome rather then a multicolor cooler master sticker on the pump. 🙂
Still won’t help the
Still won’t help the situation, The people that already spent their 650 and had to RMA it and are waiting hoping to get one that is actaully the fixed one won’t have confidence in AMD even being an AMD fan.
Their choice of spending 650, I know what I would do with that money -> 980 Ti and put the NZXT Kraken G10 on it =D
Overclock it like crazy like real PC enthusiasts would do ffs
and go for the company that
and go for the company that brought to you gameworks? or lied about the 970 memory… no thanks.
bringing apple like walled
bringing apple like walled garden crap to pc gaming? what will happen when you HAVE to buy nvidia to game on a pc?
All that shit works fine on
All that shit works fine on my gaming rig, don’t know about your botched AMD rig though XD
it would do a ton for my
it would do a ton for my pcper confidence if they release a new story now confirming the fix.
I have been water cooling my
I have been water cooling my PC for years. The quality of WC products depends on what you pay for. Good quality pumps, properly isolated from the case are effectively silent.
I will admit I am not a fan of AIO watercoolers because the pump is fixed onto the CPU or GPU, all pumps vibrate a little bit (hence need for proper isolation when pump is independent component) and, being fixed on to an expensive component there is no real way of isolating the vibration. I worry that might shorten life of Motherboard, CPU or GPU depending on what it is fixed to. That is, however, probably paranoia!
For AMD to end up with a noisy pump means that they bought a poor quality pump. I still like the card but only if I can have a version for us custom loop water coolers
Interesting equipment you
Interesting equipment you have there. Could you make that frequency-dB plot with card that have high coil whine(if you have any).
Normal dBA sound pressure meters usually use approx 500Hz to 8kHz range so they probably don’t even measure coil whine. But your equipment should capture it.
In reality the cards are
In reality the cards are whining because they could’t beat the 980ti…
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