Almost exactly a month ago, Windows 10 Build 10240 was released to both Fast and Slow. This build served as the milestone for an everyperson's operating system, and it gave OEMs something to validate drivers and software against. According to BuildFeed, the first known branches at that build number were compiled on July 9th.
Today, Windows Insiders on the Fast ring will receive Build 10525 when they next perform a Windows Update. This build was first compiled last week on August 12th, and it represents the first published milestone of the TH2 branch. It contains two new (advertised) features: extra color options for Windows UI elements and improvements to Windows 10 memory management.
I'll talk about Memory Manager first.
As Windows 10 builds were released, there was one where I noticed the System process begun to use a significant amount of RAM — a whole gigabyte or two. I figured that this was a memory leak that would be fixed in a later build, so I put up with it. Some time later, I noticed that its usage would actually go up and down as I open or close applications. It was also never “fixed” before release.
It turns out that it was an intended feature.
When operating systems decide that a chunk of memory is unlikely to be used, they tend to push them to the hard drive. This could be an application that has been minimized for a while, or portions that were displaced by a big, RAM-hungry program. You will often see this when you switch programs. Sometimes, there's a program that's already open, albeit minimized, but it still takes a few seconds to pop up. This behavior is often because it was pushed out of system memory and Windows (or Mac, Linux, and so forth) wasn't prepared to abruptly fetch it again.
Now, system memory is big and cheap, and Windows is being installed on devices with small banks of flash storage and relatively fast processors. Microsoft now believes that it makes sense to cram old chunks of memory into a container, which resides in RAM, that is compressed (as opposed to just dumping it onto permanent storage). This occurs in the system process, which explains why it tends to inflate when you're doing a lot of things at once.
Build 10525 tweaks this feature a bit in undescribed ways. I could imagine that Microsoft cut development in the public branches to make it robust for Windows 10's launch. They now have an opportunity to point Insiders to the less tested branches.
I think this is interesting, and could make a lot of sense if they successfully manage data into their most efficient storage locations. I do notice that System tends to get large even when a lot of RAM is still available. For instance, I have 55% of my memory unallocated at this point, but System is about 1.2 GB large. There could be very good reasons for this, which might be something that my operating system would know better than I, but it might also be a sign that it's slightly over-aggressive. Maybe my system could benefit from a big, contiguous chunk of available memory, or maybe my PC is being unreasonably taxed. Who knows.
The other major feature is color management. While the three displayed toggles are available in 10240, the user is apparently now able to adjust more colors. Without installing 10525, I cannot figure out what those changes are, but Microsoft asserts that they're there.
If you register as a Windows Insider Fast Ring user, you can now receive 10525.
……I just wish we dont
……I just wish we dont need to download 3.5gb of update everytime build number changes….
Part of being an insider…
Part of being an insider… These are newer *builds* not updates; IE, you’ll always need to download the whole thing.
Not really. As far as we
Not really. As far as we know, consumers will get builds, too… just less frequent. One of the main reasons for the Insider program was supposedly to test this build-delivery system. I'd guess once every ~6 months (maybe a ring structure like Insiders).
Would this fix the sli memory
Would this fix the sli memory leak when sli is enabled?
Doubt it. If it’s the same
Doubt it. If it's the same bug as the Battlefield 4 SLi memory crash, NVIDIA has it in their known issues list. I'm guessing they will patch it in an upcoming driver, although it's apparently been around for a while.
Your right, it didn’t.
It’s
Your right, it didn’t.
It’s been a problem for awhile now.
I even complained to Microsoft about the auto updates to the newest drivers. Don’t care what they update with windows, but
leave the graphic drivers out of the auto updates.
350.12 fixes the problem but anything after that has this problem. Still waiting for the hotfix.
Any one else seeing Win 10
Any one else seeing Win 10 often using the disk at 95-100% with no corresponding process for long periods? It is killing the battery life on my new laptop.
Unless you’ve turned it off
Unless you’ve turned it off in [settings->update&security->windows updates->advanced options->Choose How Updates Are Delivered], Windows 10 uses your computer as a modified bit-torrent update seeder, so that activity could well be your computer uploading pieces of update to other computers in the internet.
Killing that update sharing
Killing that update sharing was about the first thing I did. I also used the battery saving mode to kill background tasks and stopped it auto updating. Still it at random times just ramps up the disk usage, but processor does not show a similar high usage. When it happens the remaining battery percentage drops by anything from 3-7% and it happens often. I didnt even know an SSD alone could suck down that much power that fast.
“Any one else seeing Win 10
“Any one else seeing Win 10 often using the disk at 95-100% with no corresponding process”, That’s all your private information that is flowing into M$’s cloud, the better to quantify you to their metrics munching algorithms, get ready for your computer to become a just another node in M$’s cloud collective. You may think the you have switched off all the spying, and the using of your computer for spreading the infection that is windows 10, but those switches are promptly ignored by the underlying code-base of 10. It is very true that whatever you think you MAY have turned off in 10, can at M$’s discretion and by your agreeing to the windows 10 EULA, be turned right back on by the next update, or even more likely ignored outright by the underlying code, so abandon any hope of keeping it off!!! By downloading and installing project threshold AKA windows 10, you are most definitely past that threshold, and it’s best to revert to your previous OS install and get yourself back through that door before the 30 day limit cements the terms of your servitude to the dark lords of Redmond.
That memory compression
That memory compression sounds like a very stupid idea. The whole thing about paging is to have more available physical memory, and that few percents of compression aren’t going to help. And SSDs are fast enough for proper disk paging. If I don’t want paging, I can simply disable it. I really hope this page compression can be disabled as well?
First, every OS but Microsoft
First, every OS but Microsoft now does this. Why? Memory is many times faster than SSDs and HDDs. And the compression schemes available today can turn that 4GB of memory into 1GB in ram, and not be noticeable that it was compressed when it gets used again. Now, if you are constantly using all of your memory say with 20 Chrome tabs open, this will keep almost all the tabs open, and make your system more responsive. These are all good things for a Desktop focused OS.
Its why OS X has done this for 2+ years and why Linux has it since 2012. Is it always perfect? No, it will still page memory out to the disk, and it may be the wrong chunk for what you are doing, but it does work a good percentage of the time.
Now, I have no idea if it is able to be turned off, but since Insiders are supposed to be testing the feature, it would behoove them to leave it on. For now, at least. Let them test it on real workloads, and get it good for the heavy users, so that the rest of us can benefit.
This is fine by me. I have
This is fine by me. I have 32gigs of ram anyways. And when lenovo thinkpad p70 comes out ill be upgrading to that workstation and have 64gigs of ram.
The new color option is not
The new color option is not listed in the settings, but is enabled by the 2nd color toggle (the one for: Start, Taskbar, Action Center), with that turned on your secondary color will now be applied to the titlebar. This was already possible with a simple theme edit, but is now being added legit. Paul Thurrott has an article covering it: https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-10/5392/a-quick-look-at-windows-10s-new-shell-color-capabilities
There is either a bug with AMD drivers or with VLC that I am experiencing which causes the secondary color to stop working. Not only affects the titlebar but also highlighting of currently selected files/folders in Windows Explorer.