A couple of sites are claiming that NVIDIA intends to replace the first-generation GeForce GTX 750 Ti with more Maxwell, in the form of the GeForce GTX 950 and/or GTX 950 Ti. The general consensus is that it will run on a cut-down GM206 chip, which is currently found in the GTX 960. I will go light on the rumored specifications because this part of the rumor is single-source, from accounts of a HWBattle page that has been deleted. But for a general ballpark of performance, the GTX 960 has a full GM206 chip while the 950(/Ti) is expected to lose about a quarter of its printed shader units.
The particularly interesting part is the power, though. As we reported, Maxwell was branded as a power-efficient version of the Kepler architecture. This led to a high-end graphics cards that could be powered by the PCIe bus. According to these rumors, the new card will require a single, 8-pin power connector on top of the 75W provided by the bus. This has one of two interesting implications that I can think of.
- The 750 Ti did not sell for existing systems as well as anticipated, or
- The GM206 chip just couldn't hit that power target and they didn't want to make another die
Whichever is true, it will be interesting to see how NVIDIA brands this if/when the card launches. Creating a graphics card for systems without available power rails was a novel concept and it seemed to draw attention. That said, the rumors claim they're not doing it this time… for some reason.
They will keep the GTX 750
They will keep the GTX 750 for whoever wants something more than an integrated GPU and at the same time low TDP.
If Nvidia was keeping both 750 and 750Ti in the market, after the 950, they would have to lower the price for both 750 and 750Ti and probably they don’t want to do that. The alternative would have been a very crowded $100-$150 market with 750Ti destroying sales of 750 and limiting the success of 950.
By removing the 750Ti from the equation you have two options in the market that don’t overlap. You want low price and low TDP? 750. You want better performance even if that means higher TDP and price? 950.
How about this scenario:
How about this scenario:
They discontinue both the 750 and 750ti.
They release a 950 which is a cut down 960.
They rebrand the 750 (or the ti variant) as a G910/G920?
Or, they actually come up with a new, smaller die for this new part. 🙂
I dont think theyd spend much
I dont think theyd spend much money making a new die for a low end part.
What BlackDove wrote. There
What BlackDove wrote. There is no money to be made in low end cards, so companies keep rebranding old stuff. Look at the 900 series. We had to wait almost a year to see an 150 dollars model. All other models where mid or hi end. In fact most are hi end, costing 500 dollars or more.
I think at Nvidia, they didn’t liked the idea to push the prices lower because of the 950. They would have to adjust the price on everything. 750, 740, 730. By removing the 750Ti from the market and replacing it with 950, they have a much better card against the AMD models at the $150 price point and they don’t have to lower the prices on cheaper models.
PS IF they where rebranding the 750 series as G910/G920 or for example GT/X 940, they would have to lower the prices to where 740/640/whatever X40 was selling all these years.
The great profit is in the
The great profit is in the lowend cards, not in highend. Simply the bigger number of sells makes it.
And, no, it isn’t true that the lowend cards didn’t receive any new gpus, because the are the ones that showed by firs time the maxwell architecture, many months before the highend and top cards.
GM107 is basically the first shoot, and a very profitable one, because is the best option for the best performance in the BIGGEST market in PC: Laptops.
If you want a decent 3D performance but without a good consumption for a laptop, the GM107 is the first and the last option.
Maybe a new GM207 is a good option now, and with Windows 10 with DX12 a “must have” for nvidia, the remake of the GM107 to upgrade it to Maxwell 2.0 and maybe rebalance some points of the chip (is a big chip for the lowend cards).
That was 7-8 years ago. All
That was 7-8 years ago. All Intel CPUs come with integrated graphics today that aren’t laughable like in the past. Iris graphics can offer performance comparable with GT 740. AMD’s APUs offer integrated graphics with performance as good as a discrete card that sits between 250 and 250X.
And yes it is true that we have NOT seen new low end graphics cards. The newest that comes in my mind is the Kepler based GT 720. Other than that, nothing. GTX 750 cards are what the name suggest GTX, not GT. That and the price being over $100 when the cards came out, categorizes them to mid range, not low end.
I will ignore your enthusiasm about the 750. I was as much enthusiastic in 1999 when I bought a SiS 6326.
An important part of the
An important part of the equation seems to be that GM206 supports the DirectX 12_1 feature set whereas neither of the GM1XX-based cards do. Nvidia could want an entry level card that is capable of taking advantage of the new rendering features if that’s going to be a big part of their marketing over the next year or so (which is likely).
I was about to post “Well to
I was about to post “Well to be fair there is no need to replace the 750ti bla bla” and a whole thing about stagnation vs over production……. and yet your comment made me think a whole different way. DX12_1 upgrades, yup, that makes sense.
However the article did
However the article did mention the 750ti. It does support directx 12_1. I can’t speak for the 750.
You sure about that? From
You sure about that? From what I understand second gen Maxwell is the only arch to support both 12_0 and 12_1, not first gen.
It doesn’t seem that the GTX
It doesn’t seem that the GTX 750 didn’t sell:
But it’s not a DX level 12.1 architecture.
nVidia now has enough bad
nVidia now has enough bad gm206’s to make a product and sell them in volume. Duh.
That was my first thought.
That was my first thought. They probably have a large number of chips that are not good enough to be binned as 960 GPUs. If it is a large enough volume, then they may be able to stop production of the 750. I have wondered if we will get a new GPU in between the 980 and 980 Ti also. I suspect the 980 Ti is not as crippled as Nvidia would like. They ended up selling almost the same performance as the Titan ($1000) for only $700. Given the size of the gpu, I would think they would have a large number of them that are not good enough to be 980 Ti chips. If the defects are in the right areas, then I guess they could cut them all the way down to regular 980s.
It would be interesting if this new chip is on a smaller process. It makes a lot of sense to make a smaller part on a new process first. If you try to make a 400 to 600 sq. mm die on a new process, then the yeilds would be absolutely terrible.
Nvidia to replace 750Tis? Are
Nvidia to replace 750Tis? Are they bursting into flames, too? 😛
hrh tdp 90W and single 8-pin
hrh tdp 90W and single 8-pin connector, most likely just some custom model i.e. msi gtx960 gaming pcb(8-pin vs reference gtx960 6-pin) and castrated gm206 gpu.
I’m quite sure “reference” will be single 6-pin connector(more probably there won’t be reference, just AIB custom models with gtx960 pcb:s).
Or,maybe it will consume more
Or,maybe it will consume more power than 960,like 970–980.
Nah I don’t see how that
Nah I don’t see how that could be even possible. You have to drive gm206 in grazy high gpu clocks to suck that much power. And the source clearly says 90W “tdp” vs gtx960 120W “tdp”(Marketing graphics card power, which has nothing to do with true tdp aka thermal design power).
970 tdp 145 VS 980 tdp
970 tdp 145 VS 980 tdp 165,970 still draws more power and can easily reach 170~180w while gaming.
Afaik gtx980 real tdp is
Afaik gtx980 real tdp is 185W(it’s set in bios):
Marketed “graphics card power” for gtx980 is average power during gaming. If you look gtx960 you will see that bios set tdp is 120W and marketed tdp is 120W(which is peak power during gaming). Only gtx970 and gtx 980 differs from normal nvidia’s card power values.
But that’s for gm204 and nothing to do with this card. This card will use castrated gm206, which will suck a less power(smaller die less transistors less heat/power).
if the TDP was 90 watts then
if the TDP was 90 watts then its still a 6pin, since you forgot the power provided power.
SHRINK THE GAMING PC DOWN TO NUC SIZES!! FUCK THE TOWER!
Have the same exact gpus for mobile!
uhhhhhhhhhhhhh, go buy a
uhhhhhhhhhhhhh, go buy a console.
Personally I would really
Personally I would really like to see a new low profile card on the Nvidia side. The 750ti is the ONLY option if you want a decent, single slot, low profile card. MSI has one, and it has a two slot cooler, and for uSFF builds thats a pretty popular card. I want to build a nice small machine and the 950ti would be perfect, if it ever gets released…. hopefully..
you can build some nice mATX
you can build some nice mATX gaming machines that will take any full size double slot card.
they really pack them in but yea, they are as short as they can be and as narrow as they can be.
sleek cases will full real deal cars can be built no prob
fractal 1000… XION XON 310, etc
the XION you can almost pick it up with one hand…just think of them as taller LAN BOXes but still tiny.
I have an Matx rig, a full
I have an Matx rig, a full sized rig in an S340, but I dont even game that much anymore, and I honestly like building more than gaming. With that being said, I know that small form factor machines are not a great value on the price to performance.
But whatever, I want to build a rig in the Lone Industries L3. I just bought some Samsung low profile wonder ram, and an Asrock z97e itx for that build!
Straight to the point:
Straight to the point:
1) doubt that’s the case. Nvidia have been selling 750ti since February 2014. Almost two years now. And during that time we see very stiff competition from AMD. 270X for the same or less than 750ti price? Performance wise 270X eats 750Ti for breakfast. And yet Nvidia did not bother to drop 750Ti price at all because they believe the efficiency offered by 750ti is worth the premium. This is evident when there is a lot of forum question asking which card to pick between 270X and 750ti because they cost about the same.
2) GM20[b]6[/b]. This is 90w-150w part just like GF106/GF116/GK106. also this is still the same Maxwell and still the same 28nm part like GM107. And initially GTXx50 part also sub 150w card not sub 75w. To be honest I’m interested to see how much faster GP107 will be. I will ROFL if GP107 going to be much faster than full GM206 chip lol.
I would not be that
I would not be that surprised. GP107 will most likely be produced on 16nm finfet+ process, so nvidia can put plenty of cuda cores for it. And gm206 has 128bit memory interface, so I doubt it will have memory advantage over gp107 either.
GP107 (if the chip really
GP107 (if the chip really exist) might end up with 128 bit interface just like GM107. You might thinking GP107 will have HBM since it is based on Pascal but remember this is low end part. Depending on how complex and expensive to implement HBM nvidia might just use old good GDDR5 on mid range and low end card. I don’t think there will be much issue about bandwidth with this level of card that GDDR5 cannot cope with.
Am I to read that the
Am I to read that the vanilla, non-ti variant will still be on the market? With DirectX 12 finally allowing consumers the flexibility to mix and match GPU’s, wouldn’t a $75-100, 55w reference 750 be a heck of a easy way to gain some extra juice? And the Nvidia site does list this part as supporting feature level 12_1 so, for Mr. Budget Conscious With a 960 or 280 Who Wants to Upgrade, this may be an easy way to go. No additional power cable, probably no need to upgrade the PSU. Am I off-base?