Noise Testing, SFF System Build, Temperatures
Sound and Noise Concerns – Those Damn Coils
When AMD launched the AMD Fury X card, one of the difficulties that AMD had was the annoying pump whine that permeated through the initial run of testing samples as well as the first batch of retail samples. AMD claims that a fix has been put in place for this but honestly we haven’t been able to get a hold of any other product from later production runs to validate that claim.
Because of that calamity I was disappointed to power on the R9 Nano for the first time on our test bed and hear the sound of coil whine from the card. This wasn’t the same problem as the Fury X, obviously, but instead the clear sound of inductors generating a buzzing sound that varies as the frame rate in the game changes. In a loading screen that is hitting 400 FPS? You are going to get a high pitched whine from the card. Playing a game at a modest 45 FPS? The sound will be a much gentler, lower pitched buzzing similar to that of a bumblebee.
Before you start ranting and raving about this, and trust me I did that initially as well, let’s talk through a few points. First, our test bed is an open-air environment that sits about 18 inches from my left ear. Any noise generated by the card is going to be easier for me to spot – and that’s on purpose. Second, when placed inside a case, the sound of the coil whine is muted pretty dramatically not just by the case itself, but from the sound of the air movement of the R9 Nano fan and the CPU fan.
The annoyance of this coil / PWM noise is going vary from user to user I’m sure, but the consensus in the office is that because the noise varies with the frame rate of the game it is MORE noticeable than the pump whine we found on the Fury X cards earlier in the summer. For the Fury X, there was no normal air movement from a fan on the card to help drone out the sound, but for the Nano, there is. Oddly, that is kind of an advantage in this scenario.
How did our normal sound level testing look?
Based solely on our sound meter, which only measures loudness and not pitch-specific intricacies, the R9 Nano and the R9 Fury X are nearly identical in terms of idle noise generation. The R9 Nano is a bit quieter under load, but again with a different kind of buzzing sound than the Fury X exhibits. The ASUS GTX 970 DC Mini card has essentially identical sound levels during usage but exhibits none of the coil whine that the AMD card has.
I wish I knew how to explain the coil whine away, but I just can’t. After the issues surrounding the Fury X launch I would have assumed that AMD would take the time to ensure there was no such issue with the R9 Nano. I was told that the R9 Nano is using the best quality inductors possible for this product, which tells me one of two things: either there are limitations on what kinds of inductors the R9 Nano can use or the compressed power delivery design on the 6-in PCB inherently causes noise issues that engineers haven’t been able to address. I’ll continue to poke and prod AMD for more specific information, but that’s the running theory I am working with here.
The Case for Nano – SFF Builds
I said this in the introduction to today’s review and in the R9 Nano preview story last month, this card is only targeting a specific demographic of PC enthusiast. You must want top level GPU performance, you must not be cost sensitive, you must want to run a very small form factor case and you must have a design that doesn’t allow for larger graphics cards. If you don’t meet those goals, the R9 Nano isn’t for you.
As an example of a system build using the R9 Nano that cannot be built to the same performance level with any other hardware, I present to you the PC Perspective "Nanosaurus".
This system is built around the Cooler Master Elite 110 Mini ITX chassis, capable of using a full size power supply but only permitting graphics cards with lengths as long as 8.3 inches. Technically this means the Fury X could fit in here though mashing in that water cooler is going to take some work. The reference design for the GTX 980 and GTX 980 Ti is 10.5 inches, much too large for this case. As are the current revisions of AMD’s own R9 Fury product. Obviously the new Radeon R9 Nano is the highest performing card you can fit inside this chassis and for NVIDIA that spot falls to the ASUS GTX 970 DC Mini, a card based on the GTX 970 with a length measuring 6.7 inches.
The MSI Z170I Gaming Pro AC Mini ITX motherboard – tiny Skylake platform!
The rest of this build is just as impressive as the GPUs though – we were able to get our hands on the brand new MSI Z170I Gaming Pro AC motherboard that supports the brand new Intel Skylake processors as well as USB 3.1 and 802.11ac wireless connectivity. That’s a lot of features and capability for a Mini ITX platform! In that CPU socket we placed the brand new Core i7-6700K and a Seasonic 650 watt power supply to keep it all running smoothly. Unfortunately for us, due to a mix up on the CPU cooler, we were forced to use an Intel stock cooler which was less efficient than I’d like and a little bit louder too. An Intel SSD 730 240 GB SSD held our Windows 10 installation and the games used for testing.
The result is an incredibly dense PC that sacrifices nothing in terms of performance and gaming capability. The Radeon R9 Nano provided significantly more GPU horsepower than the GTX 970 DC Mini could and keeping the card boxed up in the Elite 110 didn’t affect the gaming performance / clock speeds of the Fiji GPU in my testing.
Though the fan speed and temperature did increase with the move from an open-air test bench to the Cooler Master Elite 110 Mini ITX chassis, performance of the Radeon R9 Nano wasn’t affected in our testing.
Once installed in the case, combined with the sound of the R9 Nano fan and the CPU cooler, the coil whine we heard so blatantly in our open air test bed was a bit harder to find. Below you’ll see a YouTube video that demonstrates the sound differences as recorded by our Zoom H6 high quality audio device.
If you listen closely you can definitely hear the distinct buzzing sound of the R9 Nano in with the white noise of the case fan, CPU cooler and GPU fan. On the ASUS GTX 970 DC Mini configuration though there is no buzzing sound, only the white noise at a nearly identical level. Does this mean the coil whine is not an issue for the R9 Nano? Definitely not, in my opinion, it is still the biggest drawback to this product. This just demonstrates that depending on your installation configuration, room noise, levels, headphone / speaker usage, the coil whine may be less of an issue for some gamers than others.
Temperatures
I apologize for the lack of a graphic here, but I just remembered to add this data at launch this morning (thanks Sebastian!). On our open test bed, the Radeon R9 Nano never breached the 75C mark, which basically matches the results we saw in our set of R9 Fury reviews from both Sapphire and ASUS.
In our Cooler Master Elite 110 chassis, the temperatures got up to as high as 83C after extended gaming testing and the fans on both the R9 Nano and the GTX 970 DC Mini definitely got louder than they did on that same open test bed, but evenly so. You can get a sense of the noise levels of the combination of case fans, CPU cooler and GPU cooler in the video embedded above. Overall, I would say I was impressed with the cooler on the R9 Nano as it was able to keep the Fiji GPU in the same window as the much larger R9 Fury coolers we have seen at retail thus far.









Seriously…Good luck AMD
Seriously…Good luck AMD with this card, as I think its a fail at $650, when I can buy 970 mini at half the price and OC to 1400mhz! As it is the Nano only just pips 970 at 1080, 1440 okay, but once to clock the NV card, <10% diff if that....4k, hell even the 980Ti struggles....
Wow! I know it shouldn’t
Wow! I know it shouldn’t surprise me at this point, but there’s nothing like a new product to really bring the idiots out of the woodwork. That said, great job on thee review Ryan. It was well written and informative as usual. Ignore the haters and basement-dwellers that wouldn’t know HBM from one of their BMs. You guys do a great job here, keep it up! 😀
Thanks!
Thanks!
Grammar check, last page,
Grammar check, last page, last line:
“The AMD Fury, Fury X, GTX 980 or GTX 980 Ti are going to provided more performance with less tradeoffs (cost, noise, etc.).”
Cheers.
Great review, seems like a
Great review, seems like a really great albeit rather niche card.
Out of curiosity, since coil whine was at its worst in in-game menus and other situations where the frame rate would have been much higher than normal did you try turning on the frame rate limit in Catalyst Control Center at all to see if that kept it quieter? More wondering for my own purposes, considering a SFF build with this and just want to know if I can limit that coil whine.
Yah, it would definitely make
Yah, it would definitely make things quieter if you enable that. But honestly, users shouldn't HAVE to do that.
No I understand they
No I understand they shouldn’t have to, was just wondering if it would help is all
I’ve got a buddy, the only
I’ve got a buddy, the only friend from highschool who has “All the money” and he wasnts me to build him a system with 2 of these in the next 5-6 months. I like his idea, he wants a stark, empty eATX system, electric blue, no cables showing, baren, simple, stark pale blue LEDs, no shine, big window.
At this point I’m not sure if I can pull it off EXACTLY the way he wants, but I love the concept, and the challenge. And….. YEA, FUCK YEA!!!!!
Your friend is an idiot, sir.
Your friend is an idiot, sir.
I’d argue that this card
I’d argue that this card would be a good choice in a Phanteks Enthoo Evolve mATX, crossfire & watercooled . If I hadn’t gone got myself a 980ti after fury x reviews I’d have most likely gone with that set up. Good luck trying the same with two 980ti’s!
My view on the card looking at the power limit increases and corresponding clocks suggest a well binned fury x chip in a small package. Well worth the price tag imo if you can get the clocks up to the fury x and fancy watercooling it.
Personally wish they had released this sooner 🙁
Excellent. The little midget
Excellent. The little midget comes out making much noise and kicking much ass. If the runt is this powerful… just think of all the rekt ass that will be handed out by the bigger members of the Radeon family soon enough. Really exiting and game changing products are coming… I can’t wait.
Cool idea, but the price
Cool idea, but the price point…eh.. not so much.
That SFF GTX 970 is half the price and still competitive on performance, while being a year old.
Been getting the upgrade itch
Been getting the upgrade itch for quite some time now, my 8350 and 680 are still chugging along just fine at 25×14. I’m holding off till Zen and Arctic Islands hit the scene to make the jump but this card makes me want to do a build with a LIAN LI PC-TU200B Black Aluminum Mini-ITX Tower for a 21:9 1440p FreeSync display with four actual GB of memory.
the Geforce 970 also has coil
the Geforce 970 also has coil whine…
https://pcper.com/news/Graphics-Cards/GeForce-GTX-970-Coil-Whine-Concerns
After reading all this &
After reading all this & working w/ my Fury X card I have come to the view that AMD is doing some risky but very smart PR IF all works out for them as these Fiji XT projects were IMHO meant to be halo products, especially the Fury X, to demonstrate the future direction of the industry, AMD’s capacity to engineerproduce these new hardware concepts & make it all work, to get there w/ all this in front of Nvidia to get attention w/ the wait on MS to come thru w/ Win 10 OS & Directx 12 API which has been shown to favor large shader arrays w/ wide bandwidth. I believe that the R9 Nano was the main AMD cross-platform product that they wanted to go with due to still being stuck on 28nm die as this product would set the stage for AMD in 2016 to really hit back hard w/ the FinFet 16nm parts w/ Zen on the CPU side & the Artic Islands GPU’s on HBM2 on the other. I don’t think that AMD needs to sell a ton of product to recover development costs to build these cards……just cause it took them 7 years to do this doesn’t mean that incompetency is rampant at AMD per se……whether we wanted to admit it or not AMD is STILL selling plenty of Radeon R7R9 line of vid cards today on rebranded & refreshed parts, just Nvidia hit them hard w/ their remake of Maxwell on 28nm & maximized it on the rest of the already old & outdated GDDR5 platform….here is where IMHO AMD got caught flat-footed & is trying to catch back up….. I don’t believe that AMD needed to beat Nvidia w/ this new tech outright at this time….just get close enough to Nvidia’s flagship line on the front end in performance then have MS & Win 10 w/ Dx 12 API & the game developers catapult AMD out in front due to the asynchronous shader advantage that they currently hold over Nvidia before Nvidia can respond………. It’s a BIG gamble & in time we’ll see if it pays off.
Ryan-Could those coils be
Ryan-Could those coils be encapsulated in resin and still do
their job?
You’d think with the reduced phases they could use high quality
inductors-even custom if they had to-not like there’s going to
be millions of these made-and plenty wiggle room on cost…….
Look at this in this
Look at this in this way…….w/ the R9 Nano’s debut & the few real review results that are out AMD just laid down a big challenge to Nvidia to put forth a product that can put out near 980-like performance on 175W TDP in a FF size as small as this Nano is RIGHT NOW…………. Don’t lose sight of this fact…….. Remember the review facts that showed Fiji XT GPU’s (Fury X’s)in CrossfireX scale out at near 100%………now here’s 2 R9 Nano’s turn to further drive this home again also in CrossfireX………
Remember also the AMD 2-Fiji XT GPUs part built on HBM w/ both GPU’s & HBM mounted on the same interposer which changes the game concerning the mem limitations of GDDR5 in multi-GPU config (both GPU’s can use all the mem available….all 8 Gb of it due to HBM design)is due to debut later this month, 1st of next…….. I believe this part is going to cut into Nvidia even harder as it should knock the Titan X off in both performance but also relative TDP(the R9 Nano demonstrates this potential)& cost will not be a factor by then…….if AMD gets this part right it will be VERY hard for Nvidia to top w/ current GDDR5 tech until they can respond w/ Pascal on HBM2 next year & by then the results should demonstrate their new focus in engineering prowess at AMD to innovate just as they could back in the ATI days……which is exactly what AMD CEO Lisa Su has been saying & banking on all this time was their story line….thus the resurrected Fury naming for this tech……..
Pricing is simply reflecting the result of having a cutting edge product readily available that the competition has no counter part to compete w/ it…..no different w/ Nvidia & Maxwell…… The real test for AMD is if this part will sell at enough volume to vindicate their game plan as the Nano is the showcase part that demonstrates the validity of this new tech & was the target of all the Fiji XT GPUs & HBM talk in the 1st place………
This is what I believe was AMD’s whole plan from a marketing approach…..the stuff that this Roy spewed out actually did something that could be a positive in a negative light……it’s got y’all’s attention to focus on this part & consequently start drawing more attention to this from others & start up conversation around the Nano……….
Touche’
I can’t believe the frikkin
I can’t believe the frikkin thing is priced so high – what a scalping disappointment.
Why is this card still priced
Why is this card still priced so damn high? AMD’s heads have swollen and for absolutely no reason!I love AMD, But I love AMD because they always had great prices, This year their prices suck! ANd this is also why their stocks are still going down! Because apparently they never learn!