The Vulkan API, announced during the Game Developers Conference last March, is a low-level method to communicate with GPUs. It is essentially a fork of AMD's Mantle, which was modified to include things like OpenCL's SPIR bytecode for its shading and compute language, rather than DirectX and Mantle's HLSL (or OpenGL's GLSL). At the time, Khronos mentioned that Vulkan is expected to be released in 2015, and that they intend to “under promise and over deliver” on that schedule. Being November, I expect that something came up, which isn't too surprising as Microsoft seems to have similar issues with DirectX 12.
That said, Basemark has just announced that they will have (at least one?) Vulkan-compatible benchmark available in Q2 2016. It is unclear whether they mean calendar year or some arbitrary fiscal year. Basemark GPU Vulkan is planned to focus on “relevant Vulkan API performance tests as opposed to theoretical workloads”. This sounds like more than a high-draw, low detail technical demo, which is an interesting metric, but one that will probably be covered elsewhere (like the competing 3DMark from Futuremark).
Hopefully the roll-out, for developers at the very least, will occur this year, though.
VOGL is not as much of a
VOGL is not as much of a “fork of Mantle”, rather than straight out “Mantle 2.0” in all actuality. While DirectX 12 only being Mantle by a partly measure due to it only utilizing some of Mantle’s functionality while still staying extremely anal, closed (Win10-only = instant fail), and proprietary as hell (oh you, Micro$oft!), VOGL was actually essentially co-developed in very close partnership with AMD itself, and under AMD’s regular supervision. Vulkan IS new Mantle, since Vulkan OGL at it’s core is basically 95% Mantle (DirectX 12 being Mantle only by 45% of it). And also VOGL is where the real future at, since (unlike the absolutely proprietary, totally closed and anal-as-all-hell DX12) it’s a 100% free platform, it’s 100% open source by default, and it has extremely wide legacy support (all the way to the friggin’ XP, lol). DX12 garbage is basically still-born product, a complete and total failure. VOGL is where it’s at, and VOGL is actually Mantle 2.0 by it’s core. Cheers.
The hell is with the ramble
The hell is with the ramble dude… seriously.. Vulkan is good DX12 could be better… competition is good..
1. vulkan=mantle 2.0
1. vulkan=mantle 2.0
2. vulkan aka mantle 2.0>dx12
What “ramble”, lol? I haven’t
What “ramble”, lol? I haven’t even started rambling yet.
So Khronos has 20 more days
So Khronos has 20 more days to be in November, and Vulkan has a GLSL to to SPIR-V, translation front end, or game engines can back end SPIR-V directly(see page 13 of the PDF)! This PDF should be bookmarked by Scott and provided with any future updates, it’s a good informative read!
Please read the PDF to help being steared the wrong way by the FUD producing posters that have been out in force trying their best to discredit Vulkan, and Steam OS, in the forums across the interwebs, but open standards are the future for gaming and compute!
Edit: Please read the PDF to
Edit: Please read the PDF to help being steared the wrong way by the FUD producing posters
To: Please read the PDF to help FROM being steared the wrong way by the FUD producing posters!
Of any developer on the
Of any developer on the planet that actually makes games, Wolfire will be the first to adopt Vulkan.
“that actually makes games”
"that actually makes games" Well Valve has already OH I SEE WHAT YOU DID. :p
Stardock (developer of Ashes
Stardock (developer of Ashes of the Singularity) has confirmed that they will use Vulkan (to bring Ashes to Linux)
Aren’t those Lugaru guys?
Aren’t those Lugaru guys?
https://www.khronos.org/assets/uploads/developers/library/2015-sigasia/SIGGRAPH-Asia_Nov15.pdf (page 45)
Apparently/Thankfully still on track.
If a game uses both Vulkan
If a game uses both Vulkan and DX12, does that mean that Windows 7 users can get the DX12-like improvements without Windows 10?
Except no game dev going to
Except no game dev going to do that. Even if they going to use vulcan it might be limited to linux client. But instead of supporting both DX12 and Vulcan it would make sense for dev to use vulcan altogether. Unless there is performance reason for dev to choose dx12 over vulcan on windows based machine.
You need to move on bro..
You need to move on bro.. Windows 7 is old news.. Hell You got to let go some time. I dont understand why people dont.
Because Win10 doesn’t add
Because Win10 doesn’t add anything new that we want? 7 is fine.
The built in spell check that
The built in spell check that windows 8/10 has is almost worth the upgrade add in all the extra file support that I used to need 3rd party programs for. Unfortunately I have to work on win7 but my home pc is on 10 wish I could test 10 for work.
Built-in Spyware, and Adware
Built-in Spyware, and Adware with M$ becoming more like Apple, worse than Apple, with all that snooping and app store ecosystem crap, not to mention the forced updates that include more M$ bloatware and other non-security “Updates”. M$ with windows 8, and above is turning PC/laptops into cloud appliances. Steam OS and Vulkan with its Mantle roots will give users of Linux that same feature set as DX12 with more improvements to come in Vulkan!
We all know how M$ moves slowly when it has everybody hooked on its proprietary graphics API, so Vulkan will find its way onto 8.1 and 7, and users can transition from 7 to Steam OS over a longer period of time and not be short of the games that they want to play. More developers will be supporting Vulkan because all the mobile and Linux kernel based ecosystems will be using Vulkan, so those gaming engines will work across more than just M$’s OS ecosystem and limited affordable Tablet, or Phone, device offerings.
Steam OS with each new Steam Machine will be able to work with more CPU/SOC/GPU hardware via the industries’ full support for Vulkan, and that includes the wireless cards, and the other controllers that are in PCs/Laptops/tablets/Phones. Steam OS being just another Debian Based distro that is streamlined for gaming will allow for more CPU/SOC cycles for gaming and less processor cycles used for running bloatware and spyware! Users can if they want use Steam OS’s package manager to download other Debian Linux based desktop environments, or productivity software, but most will keep Steam OS as the streamlined for gaming OS that it is, and dual boot with Linux Mint, or other Linux based productivity distro, or even windows 7.
Your work will not touch windows 10 with 10 full barge poles connected end to end. There are no enterprises that are going to even think about spending millions to certify their mission critical software for windows 10 Enterprise, when they have already spent millions on certifying their mission critical software to work with 7, like many that have just switched from XP to 7. Enterprises are going to remain on 7 until just about 7’s end of life in 2020, and windows 7 will be like XP, on extended support or M$ will lose more clients to Linux.
Not just Windows 7 users.
Not just Windows 7 users. VOGL has full legacy support all the way back to the very first version of Windows XP, lol.
Funny how people think that
Funny how people think that Win7 is the future.
Windows 7 is the future of
Windows 7 is the future of Spyware/Adware free computing until 2020 when many will have switched to Steam OS for gaming, and other Linux distros for productivity software. Let those few Application software companies remain M$ windows OS exclusives and they will begin to lose market share. So many will not go above windows 7, while more will be switching to Steam OS for gaming, and M$ is almost no where to be found in the affordable tablet, or mobile phone space.
Heads up to windows 7 users, do not install any updates not clearly listed as a Security Update, and hope that M$ does not try to slip some spyware in under the RADAR! M$ will be pushing SPYWARE 10 through windows update come the new year.
really? So Linux is the
really? So Linux is the future? WE ARE SO SCREWED!
Steam OS is a nice addition but it’s NOT going to replace Windows any time. Spyware in Windows 10? My Malware-bytes and Avira doesn’t detect any “Spyware, malware, viruses” in my PC and i’m running Win10.
I just don’t see Linux ever taking on MS. People don’t buy computers just for games and as far as i know most games run a lot more stable in Windows.
Windows 10 is Spyware in and
Windows 10 is Spyware in and of itself, no amount of Malware-bytes and Avira, or other security software, is going to detect the spyware that is baked into windows 10 BY M$! Just check up on all that telemetry going on with 10, that the security software can not block. With windows 10 your PC is just another node on M$’s cloud of data cap busting telemetry for Ads, and metrics gathering! Try and turn it off under windows 10, and with the next forced update things are turned on again! And that’s just the things that you can turn off, there are some metrics gathering that can not be stopped under windows 10. Enjoy your eternal game of privacy Wac-A-Mole behind M$’s Spy-OS.
The Internet runs on the Linux Kernel, and so will gaming via Steam OS/Vulkan, without M$’s extra added 30% off the top of the action. The mobile market already runs on the Linux kernel, and Vulkan will be there too. There are plenty of Linux OS choices like Linux Mint, or Steam OS, another debian distro, so whatever the desktop environment(DE) that will run under debian will run under Steam OS! So many different DEs and Package managers that can be used to maintain the OS without any command line interaction necessary, and the command line is still available for users that need it. Steam OS can be loaded with the same applications that run under Linux Mint and other debian based OSs, or users can dual boot Steam OS for gaming and Linux Mint for productivity. With Steam OS the user is in control and not M$, so the user will have the final choice.
Linux is used by:
Linux is used by:
ALL of the world’s fastest Supercomputers
most of the world’s servers
most of the world’s power users
Windows is used by:
…and the gamers are slowly switching to linux as support grows.
But how could that be?
But how could that be?
Windows owns more than 90% of the OS market.
No it does not, that 90% is
No it does not, that 90% is just for PCs/laptops and its less than 90% and falling. M$ has hardly any Mobile market share on Phones, or Tablets. Just Look at M$ trying to turn a PC/Laptop OS into a Phone style ecosystem with those Tiles and Universal “apps”! M$ is hell bent on turning PC/laptops into appliances and monetizing its funky cloud services chained to that windows 10 appliance OS! The internet Runs on Linux, so does Steam OS, and the majority of the mobile market. Linux and the Vulkan API for gaming graphics, non gaming graphics and GPU/other compute! Say Bye to M$’s ball and chain!
Those stats are harvested by
Those stats are harvested by certain websites from users that use no ad/tracker blocking, so yeah.. 92.5% of the world’s idiots and older people that don’t know any better that visited a certain website use Windows.
LOL Linux – (big
LOL Linux – (big finger for Linus Torvalds) has only 1,57% Desktop Operating System Market Share and 1 dummy Anonymous User idiot!
Mac OSX have ~6% Market Share and is irrelevant.
Linux – is “meaningless” for PC Gaming, as AMD Mantle / Vulkan / HSA / hUMA… etv. PR Stunts & PR Shows (AMD Linux driver FAILS)
22-Way Comparison Of NVIDIA & AMD Graphics Cards On SteamOS For Steam Linux Gaming
@ linus Tor
@ linus Tor
AAHAHAHAA those stats are harvested by certain websites from users that use no ad/tracker blocking, so yeah.. 92.5% of the world’s idiots and older people that don’t know any better that visited a certain website use Windows Thanks for proving my point.
Only ‘AAHAHAHAA’ Anonymous
Only ‘AAHAHAHAA’ Anonymous idiots believe Corporate Publicity & PR Stunts.
Apple: Apple’s Tim Cook declares the end of the PC – All Apple Fanboys scream – YEAH YEAH YEAH – I wanna iPad Pro & iPhone 8!
AMD: the next big Thing HSA, hUMA, Mantle, Vulkan, OpenCL – all for free 800% faster! AMD Radeon Fury X – Overclocker dreams 2015
Alanis Morisette has updated her hit ‘Ironic’ for this horrible modern age – this is excellent understanding!
CORRECTION – AMD PR: ‘up’ to
CORRECTION – AMD PR: ‘up’ to 800% faster!
Performance superior to Direct3D 11 (thanks to horrible AMD DX 11 drivers)
Up to 45% faster than Direct3D in Battlefield 4 (PR Stunt – VRAM leak error) and up to 319% faster in the Star Swarm demo in single GPU configuration (PR lie & propaganda) in extremely CPU-limited situations.
Awesome. I’m definitely
Awesome. I’m definitely looking forward to further Vulkan developments, uptake, and implementation. I’m still holding out on Windows 7 as I have a lot of custom software that I run on it, including servers and scientific data crunching programs. (Yes, on my home gaming ring. What?) So, I won’t be updating to Windows 10. Vulkan looks to be my main hope for gaming progress going forward, especially since I’m transitioning to GNU/Linux (Debian/KDE) where and when I can.
SteamOS looks to be a huge help in this regard as well as Android, as they will be implementing Vulkan. Even Intel, Nvidia, and of course AMD are all on board. Apple… yeah, not so much. They’re stuck on their Metal API and have been moving away from open standards. Even though Microsoft is promoting DirectX 12, the PC hardware vendors are stepping up to implement Vulkan on Windows, so at least they have that going for them.