According to NetMarketShare, Windows 10 now makes up around 7.94% of all desktop PCs. For comparison, all versions of Mac OSX combined total about 8% on this survey. It is behind Windows 8.1 and Windows XP though, which sit at 10.68% and 11.68% respectively. Windows 7 is still the overwhelming majority at 55.71%.
The OS has a few controversies associated with it, though. Some are warranted, some are not, and still others lay between. The first issue is that the reservation application has been known to download Windows 10, even without permission to do so (and redownload the several-gigabyte file if removed). This isn't counted on the market share survey of course, since the OS isn't actually installed, but it can be annoying for users will small main drives or metered internet connections. For people with satellite broadband, this will probably ruin your whole month.
Microsoft has also just announced that Windows 10 will be pushed to Windows Update for Windows 7 and Windows 8.x at some point in 2016. It will not automatically install, you will need to accept the EULA, but it will automatically download. Intentionally.
There's also some (many) concerns about privacy and data collection policies. Part of it is because Microsoft is pushing a free operating system without a clear business model, which leaves a lot of room to speculate what the value actually is. Many of these concerns aren't really possible, if only because too many people would need to be involved for the lack of leaks, but some level of concern is useful. For instance, there has yet to be a sufficient explanation of what “AutoLogger-Diagtrack-Listener.etl” does, precisely and specifically. Does it pipe everything you do to every advertiser and government acronym in the world?
No. Of course not.
It is an area that Microsoft, and basically all of their competitors, should improve upon, though.
M$ is not squatting its nasty
M$ is not squatting its nasty 10 download on my Windows 7 machine, it’s time to turn off windows update an manually check every month. No way is M$ going to stage an unannounced takeover of my machine with the flip of a switch from the bowels of the Redmond lair! It’s time to examine any windows 7 background tasks and try to nip that in the bud. More online guides to turning off any reporting in windows 7 needs to be made for users to keep the 2GB+ of pure M$ crap off of people’s windows 7 computers! That unsolicited using of users bandwidth need to be litigated to the max! Talk about the ultimate Trojan Horse!
Your tinfoil hat is the
Your tinfoil hat is the shiniest I have ever seen.
lel..i agree. but enthusiasm
lel..i agree. but enthusiasm and hyperbole aside, its hard to see where they’re mistaken. even more so if it turns out that m$ neglected to account for the myriad of ways their users are connected to the internet. as well as the number of ways in which they pay for that connection. important detail to account for when considering a deployment strategy such as this reservation application. so yea. if that turns out to be case, kinda hard to see where they’re wrong.
Whenever I see “Tinfoil hat”
Whenever I see “Tinfoil hat” in regards to MS I take it as “You’re right, but I can’t allow myself to admit it.. because fanboism”.
Not exactly fanboism: people
Not exactly fanboism: people know their freedom and privacy are being violated, but they don’t like to be reminded, and when they see someone who still cares about and fights for such things, they are reminded of what they lost.
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i like what u say here.
i like what u say here. esepcially the last paragraph. sums it up nice and clean. even more so after combing thru some of the comment threads on earlier posts about this topic. eshh 😛
and i gotta say, privacy concerns aside. the vehicle by which they decided to deploy their new software (ie this so called reservation application) was sooo lame. and after u consider how well the deployment went in other areas, the lameness is compounded. its easy to play monday morning quaterback, but still. i had two machines running windows. one with an modern i7 and enthusiast components. didnt even notice the win10 download in the background. nothing whatsoever. only thing was the annoying popup. but par for the course in M$ land, to be fair. other machine however. is an older 3core athlon (2009 athlon, not todays) with shoddy stock heatsink, in cheap case with poor cooling. the more ‘mainstream’ machine of the two, to be clear. and probably much like the machines found in the modern office and home. which probably constitute a bulk of the machines, on a global scale, that were eligible for the win10 upgrade in the first place. a machine well suited for web browsing, emailing, text editing, netflixing, and some modest gaming if a discrete gpu were used. but not much else. and then this win10 reservation application comes along…. wow. it put the whole ‘but can it run crysis’ era into a whole new perspective. i eventually put two and two together. but for a solid half hour i was convinced i had some sort hardware issue. cuz, while not uncommon for this modest little system to throw out some fan noise and dump out some heat, it normally doesnt do that while idling at desktop with one tab of chrome running. so…ty reservation application for effing with me for a half hour of my life! was a good one. the yoke is on me. ha. ha.
Scott, check this out man.
I
Scott, check this out man.
I would no more want Microsoft doing anything on my computer without my express permission, than i would want a thief rifling through my house.
My computer belongs to me. It houses all number of private information, and like with anything private, no one is allowed to access it without my knowledge and permission.
There is nothing complicated about this. You may trust Microsoft with their hand up your computer’s skirt. I trust no one. There is no benefit to trusting Microsoft, only potential downsides. Cost/benefit analysis 101.
Did i mention the computer is private and belongs to me? End of.
what u say is true, and I am
what u say is true, and I am of the same mindsight (esp the house thing, makes sense right?) Only thing is that its one dimensional. if u only take into account the physical computer itself. then yea. you’re one thousand percent correct. however, the problem arises (and ur argument subsequently gets shat upon) when that computer gets ‘used’. Because ya see…EVERYTHING that u do ‘on’ or ‘with’ said computer, has associated costs attached. and in this day and age, those costs are covered via what??? Come on u know it…say it with me…altogether now. Yes, thats it. ADVERTISING. and just in case u missed the news. by using these various services on your computer, your are implicitly, if not outright explicitly, saying that your ok with paying for those services thru advertising. so yea. the ‘issue’ IS complicated. and i agree with the other post. SM did good job of summing it up. the word succinct comes to mind
I think the bigger issue is
I think the bigger issue is that you must, necessarily, trust thousands of people to do basically anything on or with your PC. Pretty much any application has access to your drive, with some sensitive places excepted without escalated permissions (which Microsoft can apply to basically any Windows component without your knowledge).
That's how computers work.
So you can't really approach the problem from a "I'm not going to let you touch my data" standpoint. The second you installed any operating system, you've given away that permission. I think the better discussion asks what the people involved are doing with your data, and demanding an honest breakdown. You can then compare perceived behaviours with their explanations to (hopefully) validate them, and ask further questions if there's a discrepancy.
Another part of the problem is that the more honest participant might end up being the one facing the most accusations. They stuck their head in the guillotine. It's a tough issue.
((This post responds to both the parent post, and to its parent.))
Hey it’s a self-determination
Hey it’s a self-determination issue. As such, you certainly can approach it with a “i’m not going to let you touch my data” issue, just pass some laws and start doling out punishments to whoever breaks them. Kind of like if someone breaks into your house or steels your car, eh?
This is so basic, i don’t understand how no one seems to recognize it for what it is. Hey a new technology, let’s all lose our heads and forget that *we* are in charge.
Two magic words that will solve just about everything: op in.
issues like these are
issues like these are byproducts of how our society works. and just as other parts of our society have resolved their particular issues and moved on, so too will the tech industry. the only difference (and the thing that makes these issues seem so foreign, not to mention annoying) is the ‘pace’ or ‘rate’ at which they rear their proverbial heads. and that can be attributed to the rate at which our tech evolves. the car and house analogy is a good example. take the car for instance. there is a marked difference between the F-150 of today and the Model-T of yester year. the same can be said for the apple two and the iPad Air 2 no?. however, what took ford over 100 years to accomplish. Apple did in a little over 30. and is that because apple is ‘so good’ as the apple fanboi would have u believe? No no. its the nature of the beast. so basically, what im saying is, if ur tired or upset of hearing about samsung/apple lawsuits, patent trolls, or privacy leaks. then if anything/anyone, blame Moore and his silly law. its not the fault of the GOVERNING part of our society if they cant keep up with the tech industry and develop/implement the necessary legislation? or is it?
we dont live in a world where
we dont live in a world where a majority of people could purchase, out right, a computing device as well all the various services associated. the price tag would be an almost impossible barrier to entry. accessible to only the very wealthy. much like trying to buy a car or house would be if ‘loans’ did not exist. its actually funny that way huh? one could say that the same thing that allows us to have these little computies in the first place, is the same thing which we complain about. cue alanis morisette music
I appreciate when people use
I appreciate when people use “M$”. It lets me know when someone is heavily biased before reading the full post.
My desktop and laptop both have Windows 8.1 on them. I’ll switch when I build a new desktop next spring. There really isn’t a compelling reason to upgrade from 8.1 to 10 from a desktop users perspective.
The “$” is for monopoly and
The “$” is for monopoly and it stays, folks don’t like monopoly interests abusing their powers, Bill Gates is just another John D. Rockefeller, and no amount of donations will undo the dirty deeds done! M$ has got a land grab going on for folks’ third party OEM manufactured PCs/laptops via M$’s closed OS ecosystem with 10, pure and simple illegal monopoly tactics. It’s time for Steam OS and the Trust Busters!
Does Microsoft have an App
Does Microsoft have an App Store for Windows yet?
haha XD yes.. its called
haha XD yes.. its called steam.
To the missing or as of yet
To the missing or as of yet unclear business model for Windows 10:
I think as we’ve now seen with OneDrive, it’s far from inconceivable that once Microsoft has enough people hooked, they’ll just cut features and raise prices.
And no, they don’t deserve the benefit of the doubt (anymore.)
MS signed up for CISA- with
MS signed up for CISA- with Apple, etc.
Now you know how secure and private your data is with every bank, the NSA, the IRS, HLS and every alphabet permutation parking their crapplets into your system. It’s so they can count and tax the loose change that falls out of your pocket and label MS critics as terrorists.
Feel secure yet?
Windows 10 is completely
Windows 10 is completely useless and disgusting OS and the articles only tell you what Microsoft wants.
I had high hopes for windows 10 in May, June, and July time frame.
The final product in August turned out to be unstable, annoying and useless.
I still have windows 10 on one of my partition. Now I run windows 8.1 and have no desire to use windows 10. Why?
(1) BSODs without any reason
(2) Scans and repairs disk needlessly.
(3) Distracting notifications
(4) Checks constantly if you have used Linux or third party apps
(5) If you reset windows 10 all your apps and settings are gone
(7) Constantly updating your system
(8) Each update creates more bugs
(9) Constantly reminds me that 110 million users have upgraded to windows 10 and I should upgrade windows 8.1 to windows 10.
(10) Microsoft thinks that all windows 10 PC are Microsoft property.
Nothing about the users who have deleted windows 10 from their machines. How many users have switched from Windows 10 to windows 7/8.1?
In my opinion lots of work needs to be done to make windows 10 acceptable to the users. Windows 10 is unfinished OS that is needlessly bloated.
I did not even mention the privacy and security of users data that is very important to lots of people.
It seems like you are running
It seems like you are running insider builds; going with the regular released version might fix some of your issues. I have 5 computers running 10 without any of the issues you describe. My biggest gripes are the unfinished browser that is Edge and the fact that apps seem to just now be in development for the new Win 10 universal platform despite the OS being released two months ago. I think they should have held back Edge and released it as a feature later in a more polished form so it could win over more users.
I tested several builds of
I tested several builds of windows 10 starting from April. Build 10074 of windows 10 worked well and I was very happy. The final update of windows 10 in late July or early August caused all the problems.
Now I am running windows 8.1 exclusively. I have very few problems with windows 8.1. Manjaro Linux and windows 8.1 can co-exist without any problem.
I completely blocked windows 8.1 automatic updates. Most of my time is spent with Firefox, Chrome, Opera, and Midori browsers and VLC media player. I do not play any games.
I was going to test Windows 10 Preview Build 10576. But now I am going to wait another 6 months before doing anything with windows 10.
I tested windows 10 on Dell XPS 8700 with core i7 4770 processor.
smooth sailing with every
smooth sailing with every single one of my builds… which is a lot.
Run W10 for the next 6 months
Run W10 for the next 6 months and you will find out what W10 is doing to your PC. It is a very distracting and unstable OS.
“Your PC ran into trouble and needs to restart…”
updates after updates after updates…
You will also see reverse migration from W10 to W 7/8.1.
You will read many many W10 horror stories. W10 users losing their data, apps and settings.
I blocked all updates to windows 8.1 and wants Microsoft not ever to touch my PC.
The safe way to use windows is to run in a Virtualbox under Linux host.