DigiTimes has a doozy of a post title, stating that Intel plans to limit OS support on future processors starting with Kaby Lake and Apollo Lake CPUs. Now this sounds horrible but you may be taking the word support out of context as it refers to the support that major customers require which leads to the so called errata (pdf example), not that the processors will be incapable of running any OS but Windows 10. This may not matter so much to the average consumer but for industries and the scientific community this could result in huge costs as they would no longer be able to get fixes from Intel, unless they have upgraded to Windows 10. That upgrade comes with its own costs, the monstrous amount of time it will take for compatibility testing, application updating and implementation; not to mention licensing fees.
AMD should take note of this, focus on continued legacy support and most importantly advertising that fact. The price difference between choosing AMD over Intel could become even more compelling for these large customers and help refill AMD's coffers.
"With Intel planning to have its next-generation processors support only Windows 10, industrial PC (IPC) players are concerned that the move will dramatically increase their costs and affect market demand, according to sources from IPC players."
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- IBM triples the capacity of PCM memory, and that's a big deal @ The Inquirer
- Firefox Tops Microsoft Browser Market Share For First Time @ Slashdot
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Isn’t this more a reciprocal
Isn’t this more a reciprocal thing as Microsoft has said they’re not going to support new processors on old OSes.
it’s not FUD nor “news”
this
it’s not FUD nor “news”
this was already known for quite a while now and the source was MS themselves
Far as I know this was the
Far as I know this was the first mention of Apollo Lake
I think you are right that
I think you are right that this is the first mention specifically of Apollo Lake. When Microsoft first talked about future CPU support they did say that:
“Going forward, as new silicon generations are introduced, they will require the latest Windows platform at that time for support.” (https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2016/01/15/windows-10-embracing-silicon-innovation/)
This starts with Kaby Lake and anything following it. That meant that while Apollo Lake wasn’t mention back in the blog post on January 15, 2016, it would fall under the new requirements for supported hardware.
That’s the nasty bit too.
That's the nasty bit too. That level of processor is likely found in industrial applications and those are the ones who will find the small little bugs and need the support. Problem is that they are unlikely to have budgeted for 1000's of new Windows licenses.
This is a classic WINTEL
This is a classic WINTEL Duopoly move that should be cut off at the legs by the US Justice Department. This and any M$ windows secure boot UEFI/firmware antics with the third party PC/Laptop OEM’s, ditto for all that windows OS Bundling on the third party PC/Laptop OEM market!
Make Monopolies(M$, Intel, Comcast) a campaign issue! It’s just as much a problem now as it was over 100 years ago! Welcome to the neo-gilded age and The M$/Intel Trust is just as bad as the Standard Oil Trust way back then!
It’s not really that bad. I
It’s not really that bad. I would imagine that a Kaby Lake CPU might run WIndows 7 with no problems, but the new features of the architecture wouldn’t be supported. This doesn’t mean that partners couldn’t make supported drivers themselves. It just means that Microsoft isn’t going to support it. Here is an excerpt from the blog post back in January 2016:
“At the same time, we know many of these customers continue to rely on Windows 7 for its well understood reliability and compatibility. Windows 7 was designed nearly 10 years ago before any x86/x64 SOCs existed. For Windows 7 to run on any modern silicon, device drivers and firmware need to emulate Windows 7’s expectations for interrupt processing, bus support, and power states- which is challenging for WiFi, graphics, security, and more. As partners make customizations to legacy device drivers, services, and firmware settings, customers are likely to see regressions with Windows 7 ongoing servicing.”
Read more at https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2016/01/15/windows-10-embracing-silicon-innovation/#5rzc6gdP1CeF5kuc.99
Well Linux will be supported
Well Linux will be supported on all new CPU hardware, so that’s the way to go after 2020, with windows 7 locked down inside a KVM/Xen VM instance, then no worries about the OS Kernel having no new CPU support and no worries about user privacy, forced updates, or any UWP(TIFKAM) locked down to the M$ app store existence!
Now if M$ can be kept out of the third party PC/Laptop OEMs firmware key signing authority users can get their Linux OS distro of choice running on their hardware, Even the users’ own custom Linux builds, it’s not M$’s hardware in the first place it comes from the third party PC/Laptop OEMs! I really could care less about M$ after 2020, I do care about M$’s nefarious UEFI firmware practices with the third party OEM’s PC/laptop firmware!
That OEM “choice” of not providing any M$ windows secure boot OFF switch in any new third party OEM made PC’s/laptop’s UEFI firmware that comes with windows 10 factory installed needs to be monitored by the US Justice Department! How would someone install their own custom Linux OS build on their own PC/Laptop if that M$ windows secure boot turned ON in the UEFI firmware had no way provided by the OEM to turn M$ windows secure boot OFF, the user’s own PC/Laptop hardware would be wedded to only the approved by M$ Linux OS builds, M$ holding the key signing authority over the users choice of any OS builds on the users’ own PC/Laptop hardware!
What kind of upgrade needs a
What kind of upgrade needs a processor? Only GPU requires a driver.
This could only push IPC to use graphic cards from competitors (AMD or nVidia).
I don’t know any detail about the agreement between Intel and Microsoft but I think if this is true, Intel is shooting itself a bullet in the foot.
While PC are more frequently
While PC are more frequently faced and involved with update GPU driver, CPUs do have some driver requirements.
“For Windows 7 to run on any modern silicon, device drivers and firmware need to emulate Windows 7’s expectations for interrupt processing, bus support, and power states- which is challenging for WiFi, graphics, security, and more.”
Read more at https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2016/01/15/windows-10-embracing-silicon-innovation/#5rzc6gdP1CeF5kuc.99
In this case Microsoft is choosing to not do the support itself as had been done in the past. This leaves the driver support in the hands of the party selling the hardware and not with Microsoft.
Actually it is not about the
Actually it is not about the processor but the north and south bridges for accessing peripheral devices. Interesting…
This would give AMD an opportunity to gain market shares over Intel under lightweight and customized operating systems such as Linux or BSD distributions.
I wonder how the government
I wonder how the government agencies blackmailed or bribed Intel into only supporting the “makes illegal data gathering legal with its EULA” OS?
Might have to switch to AMD until they get backdoored or bullied into doing the same.
I’m gonna start a high end
I’m gonna start a high end processor collection instead of luxury cars. :o)