Update, November 7th @ 5:25pm EST:
First, NVIDIA gave Ryan their official statement, which I included below verbatem.
GeForce Experience collects data to improve the application experience; this includes crash and bug reports as well as system information needed to deliver the correct drivers and optimal settings. NVIDIA does not share any personally identifiable information collected by GeForce Experience outside the company. NVIDIA may share aggregate-level data with select partners, but does not share user-level data. The nature of the information collected has remained consistent since the introduction of GeForce Experience 1.0.The change with GeForce Experience 3.0 is that this error reporting and data collection is now being done in real-time.
They also pointed to their GeForce Experience FAQ.
It sounds like there's a general consensus, both from NVIDIA and even their harshest critics, that telemetry only affects GeForce Experience, and not their base driver. I still believe that there should be a more granular opt-out that still allows access to GeForce Experience, like web browsers and Visual Studio prompt with a checkbox during install. Still, if this concerns you, and, like Windows 10, it might not and that's okay, you can remove GeForce Experience.
Also, GamersNexus yet again did a very technical breakdown of the situation. I think they made an error, though, since they claimed to have recorded traffic "for about an hour", which may not have included the once-per-day reporting time from Windows Task Scheduler. (My image below suggests, at least for my system, monitor once per hour but report at 12:25pm and user login.) I reached out to them on Twitter for clarification, but it looks like they may have just captured GeForce Experience's typical traffic.
Update, November 7th @ 7:15pm EST: Heard back from GamersNexus. They did check at the Windows Task Scheduler time as well, and they claim that they didn't see anything unusual. They aren't finished with their research, though.
Original news, posted November 6th @ 4:25pm EST, below.
Over the last day, users have found NVIDIA Telemetry Monitor added to Windows Task Scheduler. We currently don't know what it is or exactly when it was added, but we do know its schedule. When the user logs in, it runs an application that monitors… something… once every hour while the computer is active. Then, once per day (at just after noon on my PC) and once on login, it runs an application that reports that data, which I assume means sends it to NVIDIA.
Before we begin, NVIDIA (or anyone) should absolutely not be collecting data from personal devices without clearly explaining the bounds and giving a clear option to disable it. Lots of applications, from browsers to software development tools, include crash and error reporting, but they usually and rightfully ask you to opt-in. Microsoft is receiving a lot of crap for this practice in Windows 10, even with their “Basic” option, and, while most of those points are nonsense, there is ground for some concern.
I've asked NVIDIA if they have a statement regarding what it is, what it collects, and what their policy will be for opt-in and opt-out. I haven't received a response yet, because I sent it less than an hour ago on a weekend, but we'll keep you updated.
EU/US watchdogs turn a blind
EU/US watchdogs turn a blind eye for now but in a few years will slap Nvidia with hefty fine.
Good opportunity to short Nvidia stock, I think.
Another storm in a teacup
Another storm in a teacup from the LOGGING IS EVIL!!1! crowd, who will then turn around and bitch about bugs not fixed due to lack of logging (and will never deign to voluntarily fill out a bug report with all the logs necessary to actually fix a bug).
I made a post on reddit about
I made a post on reddit about my own findings, doing research with Process Monitor. Here’s a copy-paste: https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/5bog2s/analyzing_geforce_experience_data_transfers_with/d9qb594/
Ok, I did a bit of analysis myself of the actual scheduled processes using Process Monitor, a utility I’ve used occasinally in my day job for years to troubleshoot application issues, so I have a decent amount of experience parcing it’s captures. Any files or registry entries a process touches, ProcMon will log.
I performed this capture with GeForce 375.76 driver installed and no Geforce Experience installed, so people with GFE may have different results.
The 3 telemetry related processes called by the schedule tasks in question (NvSHIM, NvTmMon, NvTmRep) do the following of note: access Nvidia Crash Dumps, query video display adapter properties, and access the WinSAT Formal Assessment (more system component information and performance). All 3 processes execute and terminate within a few seconds of being called, no active monitoring seems to be happening between these 3 processes.
Nothing related to accessing web browsing history or anything else supposedly nefarious.
It’s called the boiled frog
It’s called the boiled frog syndrome.
Too many people are comfortable in the lukewarm water…
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I’m going to assume that
I'm going to assume that you're one of the people begging for us to disable anonymous comments, especially because you focus on both Jeremy and myself and the only thing we have in common that's not shared with other staff is we publicly moderate comments.
Also, and I'm sure you know this, not appropriate.
I would give real money to
I would give real money to see him saying what he posted. The expressions in his face would be priceless. Not to mention the smoke from his ears.
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Do You read the adventures
Do You read the adventures President ManChild and Ghoulliani! It has the Orange raged President ManChild and his Ghoul sidekick/minion Ghoulliani as they foolishly fail at every attempt to build any form of consensus in their own party as well as the opposition party! Hilarity ensues as they try to form a ruling coalition of mad cap wing nuts while everything goes in the crapper around them and the world. Behold as their week after week of side splitting misadventures unfold and civilization as we know it goes back to pre-neolithic levels of absurdity! Why even the bog standard Neanderthals appear erudite in comparison to that madcap duo of President ManChild and Ghoulliani!
Ignore the troll. He’ll go
Ignore the troll. He’ll go away.
Allyn, Jeremy, Josh, Ryan, Scott, and Tim bring their unique perspective to the PC hardware scene. I for one like their different insights into the products and news that are offered.
I don’t like sites that are one sided like Anandtech was/is for example. Any site should strive to be as neutral as possible but bias does slip in. But the key is being open minded and not letting bias dominate.
AnandTech is owned by the
AnandTech is owned by the same folks that own TOM’s hardware, so AnandTech is not as focused as it once was! AnandTech does still have some very good and thorough articles every so often, but most of the good writers end up working for the pay-walled publications. Anand Lal Shimpi is long gone so do not expect that the AnandTech of the past will endure under the media conglomerate that owns AnandTech today!
The entire online reporting industry has too many conflicts of interests to ever be fully trusted. The nature of the PC technology industry has been such that for a few decades now the dominant interests have so stifled real innovation that any new hardware that these interests produces is not going to improve year to year until more competition can return. Hopefully AMD’s newer products can get enough market share to allow for many to avoid Intel’s and Nvidia’s high cost products but AMD needs to make some effort to get its Zen/Polaris/Vega based APUs into some Linux OS OEM laptop offerings. 2020 is going to be the year that windows 7 goes EOL, so the Linux OS OEM based PC/Laptop market need to have enough market share by 2018-2019 to allow for enough Linux OS based OEM PC/Laptop options.
You guys at PCPER may like to
You guys at PCPER may like to ask Nvidia about Fermi DirectX 12 driver.
Here is Forza Horizon 3 PC Demo running on GTX 580. Unfortunately, we need an updated driver, since the 358.70 which is DirectX 12 capable , outdated already.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYhWkot8bZA&feature=youtu.be