Pricing and Conclusion
The current street prices for the graphics cards we compared in this review result in quite a wide range:
- Quadro P2000 – $459 on CDW
- Quadro P4000 – $876 on Amazon
- Quadro P5000 – $2,000 on Amazon
- Radeon Pro Duo – $800 on Amazon
For readers used to the consumer graphics market, these prices will seem very high. An important thing to remember is, while they may share the same physical hardware, the software side for professional graphics cards is different.
For professional applications, stability and compatibility are key. Extra work is put into the drivers for professional graphics cards to ensure that they will perform day in and day out for users who are making a living from the applications they are helping to accelerate. And for these consumers, the price increase is worth it.
As you have seen from our benchmark results, in the professional graphics market, graphics card choice boils down to what applications you are using.
Important things to consider are what API do the applications you most frequently use implement (OpenCL, CUDA, OpenGL, etc,), the ability of these applications take advantage of multiple compute devices, as well as target system specifications (such as power consumption and physical footprint) to name a few.
It is clear that if you are using applications that are purely OpenCL focused, AMD offers compelling options in the workstation graphics card market. While the launch price of $1500 for the Radeon Pro Duo was difficult to swallow for the performance levels it offers, the current price tag of $800 is very compelling for users looking for very high levels of OpenCL rendering ability, as long as your application will support multiple OpenCL device targets.
For applications that utilize CUDA in addition to or instead of OpenCL, NVIDIA's Quadro GPUs don't disappoint. In Blender, where we could test OpenCL vs CUDA, it's clear that CUDA provides a performance advantage when paired with one of these Pascal Quadros we tested. While the P5000 might not have been absolute winner, it was very close to to the Radeon Pro Duo while running on only one physical GPU.
We're excited to see AMD's eventual FirePro products featuring the high power Vega GPU, but for now, NVIDIA offers the highest performing workstation graphics cards with their newest Quadro products. The Pascal architecture provides a platform on which NVIDIA can build more efficient graphics cards for professional users who are more conscious about size, power, and heat requirements at their desk. Users who are pushing the limits of rendering and compute would do well with one of these graphics cards.
I wouldn’t worry about these
I wouldn’t worry about these benchmarks, Since the Nvidia Pascal cards just came out,and AMD got the VEGA Pro cards coming out around June or so this year to replace there current WX line up.
Really disingenuous to not
Really disingenuous to not include Radeon pro WX lineup but I guess you might not have had access to one.
We really would have liked to
We really would have liked to include them, but we haven't had our hands on them!
You should mention this to
You should mention this to avoid further bashing.
Great job, Ken.
Yeah well… http://hothardware.com/reviews/amd-radeon-pro-wx-4100-and-wx-5100-workstation-gpu-reviews?page=3
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-radeon-pro-wx-7100,4896-3.html They have been reviewed by others as early as December after a mid year launch. Meanwhile the quadros were announced 2 mo. ago. and are getting reviewed first here.
To avoid bashing get your hands on them and make a review. The quadros will probably still win on many things, no reason to use an old gen card.
WX7100 is ~$600 and performs
WX7100 is ~$600 and performs like it.
It falls behind the P2000 in many tasks and then is close to the p5000 for openCL.
They simply aren’t competitive this gen in anything other than price. and OpenCL performance.
Hi Ken, at 26:58 in the PC
Hi Ken, at 26:58 in the PC Perspective Podcast #444 you mentioned that the Radeon Pro Duo uses the “Radeon Graphics Drivers,” but AMD also supplies professional drivers for the Radeon Pro: http://support.amd.com/en-us/download/workstation?os=Windows%2010%20-%2064#pro-driver
Some professional applications require certified drivers to work properly, which may be why you got a few strange results in SPECviewperf12
Yes AMD does provide the
Yes AMD does provide the professional drivers so software developers can save money by getting the “Radeon Pro Duo” and using it to develop for production systems that use the more expensive Radeon Pro WX(Formally called FirePro) SKUs. But when benchmarking professional cards the review is not scientific and proper if the real professional GPUs are not tested against other real professional GPU SKUs.
Any real certification testing for prodction software will be done on the Radeon Pro WX professional SKUs(production certified) even if the software was developed using the Radeon Pro Duo(Just as a Low Cost development platform). So and final testing/certification and reviewing(Proper Reviewing) needs to be done on the Radeon Pro WX SKUs.
So if you can’t test the latest Quadro SKUs against the latest Radeon Pro WX competition, why would a reviewer want to tarnish their reputation!
Interesting that AMD doesn’t
Interesting that AMD doesn't seem to surface the Pro driver link unless you dig for it. If you go to the AMD default driver site, the Radeon Pro Duo option brings you to download Radeon Software Crimson Edition ReLive
That’s not going to help
That’s not going to help because the Radeon Pro WX SKUs may have more memory and other tweaks. If Nvidia has Quadros to offer for testing then Nvidia must have some Radeon Pro SKU samples also for research that it can offer to make for a more scientific/balanced testing run. There has to be more comparisons Apples to Apples or the testing should be done completely without any Radeon SKUs, unless those Radeon Pro WX samples can be had from either AMD or Nvidia.
Yes, this kind of testing
Yes, this kind of testing with professional GPUs against non professional GPU it’s not going to go over well. Where is any Radeon Pro WX SKUs. The Radeon Pro duo is not more like the Titan X is for Nvidia with Quadro being Nvidia’s professional line. So where are the Radeon Pro WX(Formally called Fire Pro) SKUs.
Very Disingenuous this “review” is.
I haven’t messed with 3dsMax
I haven’t messed with 3dsMax since ~2004. I can only imagine how much nicer it runs one something faster than a GeForce4 ti 4200.
Such a damn good, awesome,
Such a damn good, awesome, useful AF review. Finally, no peasanty AMD crap. Please, more stuff like this.
I know really… Why even
I know really… Why even bother with this pro duo toy… At least those blue cards weren’t there to sully the graphs.
Damn, the pro duo is a beast
Damn, the pro duo is a beast in OpenCL and it’s only $800. If I didn’t have to upgrade my PSU for it, I’d probably buy it.
Anyone use those cards for
Anyone use those cards for professional real-time VR ? (stereo 3d)
It seem this would be easy now that headset are so easily available.
(Specially in term of CAD / modeling / Architecture)
On another note, VR gaming I wonder how the duo perform VS a GTX 1080 ti. It seem trivial for driver to render the same frame in parallel. Its near 100% scaling.
But I heard very little on sli/crossfire and VR…
I’m curious why you didn’t
I’m curious why you didn’t include results for the 1060/1070/1080/1080ti.
You reference them on the first page, and I’m sure many readers would love to know what sort of performance the much cheaper retail cards 🙂
Nvidia only issues the
Nvidia only issues the certified professional drivers for their professional line of cards. Wow it could work on the consumer cards, nvidia does not allow it.
Quote:”And for these
Quote:”And for these consumers, the price increase is worth it”.
I think that you are thinking about years ago when you put this line in. Upwards from the performance of the 1060 maybe but from the performance of the 1070 upwards to the titan series, if a $800 card could compete with the more expensive consumer cards, a lot of us would consider the price. Yeah, there are some seriously more expensive pro-cards, but if this set could better consumer cards at these prices, it would be a win.
I remember some time ago when it was possible to flash a certain consumer card and make it a pro-card, but performance was not quite the same. So the best (todays) consumer card will be better than a pro card even if it would run everyday software, games especially.
Seems like a broken tenet where a pro
isnt as good as the peoples ….unless you are are of a few that has the few games that run entirely on opencl