EK’s Threadripper Supremacy EVO water blocks

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   Hood on August 12, 2017 at 2:03 am

   As a bonus, it adds to your
   As a bonus, it adds to your reservoir capacity, since this monster holds another pint!. In the pics, it resembles a mini-ITX open-air bench case with motherboard tray in the middle…

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     BigBlockV16 on August 12, 2017 at 4:09 pm

     It’s a monster of a base
     It’s a monster of a base plate/cold plate and they should have included some mounting points/mounting brackets on that big black mounting adaptor to maybe mount some little fans for some extra air flow accross the outside of the and pull more hot air away for the processor’s general area. It would be better for air flow if they punched some ventilation holes in the mounting adaptor instead of going with a that solid black plate. Threadripper’s huge CPU socket mounting brcket contains a lot of metal also so the less nearly enclosed voids near the processor the better to keep heat from being trapped in and around the processor area for lack of ventilation.

     I wish that they would include more images with the waterblock mounted on a motherboard with plenty of close up images so potential customers could gauge the product’s clearence above the socket hardware and the PCB, as stagnent air trapped in confined spaces becomes a problem especailly around the processor area.

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   skysaberx8x on August 12, 2017 at 2:28 am

   Meh, disappointing
   Meh, disappointing

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     saabkyle04 on August 12, 2017 at 3:32 am

     Just like Threadripper.
     Just like Threadripper.

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       Hood on August 13, 2017 at 5:54 am

       I’m glad that so many
       I’m glad that so many wanna-be’s are jumping on this, the market pressure on Intel is going to make my next system a lot cheaper, and a lot faster when Intel releases their upcoming new arch. Fanboys are already bragging that Threadripper is the #12 overall best selling item on Amazon, and #1 in PC components, but as usual it’s a lie – it’s currently #23 in computer components, and I can’t even find it on the overall list. Either way, it’s causing Intel to take notice.

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         HypervisorOne on August 13, 2017 at 2:39 pm

         The new Intel Mesh CPU core
         The new Intel Mesh CPU core interconnect has its latency drawbacks also against Intel’s previous ring bus designs and unless you are a 1080p gamer then things at higher resolutions are going to be more of a GPU contest. And Threadriper is not even the best value for content creation compared to the Epyc 7401P 24 cores/48 threads SKU at only $76 dollars more than TR 1950X’s $999. I’m waiting for some workstation owner with that Epyc 7401P CPU SKU to try out some gaming with 8 channels of memory available just to see how that may work out on some games that may like the extra memory bandwidth. And the Epyc 7401P’s 24 cores will still have the same 64MB of L3 cache available to its 24 cores as the 32/64 Epyc variants, with each of the Epyc 7401P’s 4 CCX units having more cache for the 3 enabled cores per CCX on that $1075 SKU.

         So your Intel high margins are already lowered in the consumer markets and Threadripper is going to compete better against Intel’s 10 core and above HEDT SKUs because at those high core counts the clocks can not be ramped up for too long across too many cores for both Intel and AMD. Eventually the Better Zeppelin die steppings will begin to appear on an even more mature Samsung(Licened by GF) 14nm process node and any newer TR SKUs may just overclock better or come with higher base and boost clocks out of the box.

         What most enthusiasts websites are not testing, except for the Level1tech folks(tested on Ryzen SKUs currently), is Threadripper running virtual machines like KVM with multiple OS instances and PCI passthrogh and each OS instance assigned its own GPU, or logical GPU virtual slice. So a Home gaming/streaming server with mutiple GPUs in the slots and each OS instance getting it own GPU hardware and the gaming server running two games at once over two OS instances using two seperate GPU plugged into the same PC, or even one GPU that is split into 2 logical GPU virtual partitions(AMD’s GPUs allow this). And I just wonder what Threadripper can do in NUMA mode and the Hypervisor assigning each OS it’s own Zeppelin die(NUMA node) and Threadripper gaming benchmarks run. It sounds like somthing that Wendell over at level1techs would want to try if enough folks where interested.

         And Nvidia does not like like to provide GPU virtualization/PCI passthrough on its consumer GPU SKUs but this type of virtualized GPU usage is enabled on AMD’s consumer variants. There is goiing to be a lot of interesting expermentation done with Threadripper and Virtual machine workloads under some Hypervisor managed OS instances with one PC platform serving up more than one game to more than one user.

         And I even want to see this tried with some single socket Epyc SKUs under some windows OS instances that are running under KVM for multiple game streaming workloads, in addition to any Linux OS instances running games. With a Hypervisor managed computer any sorts of OSs that can be run at the same time under that specific hypervisor, KVM/Others and there can be game streaming services provided to more than one user.

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           Anonymous2 on August 14, 2017 at 11:52 am

           And how much more are the
           And how much more are the epyc motherboards? You’re saving on the CPU but spending more on the mobo.

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             CostPerFeatureDenialYouAreIN on August 14, 2017 at 2:23 pm

             Hell there are 2 socket Epyc
             Hell there are 2 socket Epyc motherboards running in the 550-650 dollar range so probably the single socket Epyc motherboards running in the $400-$550 range but it’s better not think about it but there are some top end Threadripper MBs running in the $400+ range also with one TR Asus ROG MB costing $549.99.

             But one must use the better price/feature metrics like taking the MB’s overall price and dividing that by the features. So for example take the $389.99 GIGABYTE X399 AORUS Gaming 7 sTR4 AMD X399 and divide that price by the number of memory channels at $399.99/4 and we come at a price per memory channel metric of 99.75 per channel for that TR MB SKU! And now, well, let’s take the $550(because right now there are no single socket Epyc MB pricing figures available like there are for the dual socket Epyc MBs(that are in the $550-$650 for a dual socket Epyc MB) price range. So I’ll have to go with a single socket Epyc MB(estimate) for that metric for an Epyc high end range single socket MB estimate of $550 and divide that by 8(Epyc provides memory channels) so the Epyc MB platform cost per memory channel is 68.75 per memory channel.

             Now let’s do the same for the cost per PCIe lane with the $389.99 GIGABYTE X399 AORUS Gaming 7 sTR4 AMD X399 SKU. So that’s $389.99/64 and we get $6.94(rounded) for that price per PCIe lane and let’s move on the the Epyc high end MB estimate of $550 and divide that by 128(the number of PCIe lanes that the Epyc platform provides) and we get $4.30(rounded per PCIe lane for the Epyc platform. So on both the PCIe price per lane metric and the Price/Memory Channel metrics the Epyc platform has the better metrics.

             And now the final metric of the the price per core with the 16/32 Threadripper at $999/16 we come to a per core price of $62.44 per core and the Epyc 7401P’s price of $1075/24(because that Epyc SKU has 24/48 cores/threads for only $76 more than TR’s price) so that is $44.79(rounded on the Epyc per core price), and Epyc wins again. And we come to the final figures of Epyc’s price per memory channel of 68.75(on a $550 MB estimate) versus Thread ripper’s price per memory channel of $99.75(on a $389.99 MB), and the Epyc price per PCIe lane of $4.30(on a $550 MB estimate) versus the TR price per PCIe lane of $6.94(on a $389.99 MB). And we see that even though the Epyc MB(estimate of $550) is higher that because of the Epyc platform’s feature numbers being higher(PCIe lanes 128/memory channels 8)that makes the Epyc platform the better deal, and add to that the fact that the price per core metric is lower also for the Epyc 7401P.

             This type of analysis is Know as a cost/benefit analysis and is done to calculate the overall value per dollar spent! And that Epyc/7410P total platform cost/benefit cost/feature metric trounces TR’s cost/benefit metrics across the Price/Core , Price of each lane of MB/PCIe lanes provided, and the Price of MB’s/per memory channel metrics. And even though I used a higher Epyc MB price estimate of $550 against a $389.99 TR MB price the Epyc platform still is the better value on a cost/feature basis.

             AND I have still have not figured in any warranty metrics but Epyc will get a 3 year warranty while TR will be getting 1 year(maybe), and the same goes for the Epyc Motherboards getting longer warranties than any consumer motherboards. The Entire Epyc platform will also get a longer period of technical and product availability support above the consumer SKUs which have their SKU availability only supported on the shorter term before becoming obsoleted rather quickly.

             Note: That Epyc MB price may even include 10Gb ethernet and other features that the TR MB SKUs do not offer!

             There I did the math so Epyc is the better overall value over TR, and AMD has really made Epyc a mad value over even AMD’s consumer SKUs. That some crazy good deals with those single socket Epyc SKUs, and I mean some MAD good deals!

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               Anonymouse on August 16, 2017 at 9:48 am

               A few points
               A few points missed:

               SuperMicro Server Motherboards are very high quality but they won’t overclock the Epyc while Motherboards supporting the Threadripper are overclockable (CPU and Memory).

               You could buy an Epyc for U$400 and next year drop in an Epyc 7nm CPU, with a 2S Motherboard that is U$800 so still a low cost beginning (and guaranteed upgradable up to 2020).

               The Epyc works with Linux whereas other Ryzens have had problems, similarly Epyc is tested with more professional Software than the others.

               The Epyc has Enterprise Features: Encrypted Memory and Virtualization. That’s likely to fend off some Viruses and Hacking.

               Epyc has a newer Stepping.

               The greater number of PCIe Lanes allows future Devices that NEED more Lanes to have them available.

               The greater number of Memory Slots allows for the use of less expensive Memory while still maintaining a good total capacity, or alternatively permitting more Memory than most people reading this are likely to be able to afford.

               Epyc is worth considering over Threadripper, Ryzen 7 is all that the majority of Software will be able to handle TODAY – darn Programmers need to go beyond a few Threads when they have a Program that would benefit (been stuck in the single-threaded mentality too long, over a decade).

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   Anonymouse on August 12, 2017 at 2:33 pm

   The best and
   most important
   
   The best and

   most important

   part of this Announcement was not mentioned: This fits the SP3 Socket.

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     Jeremy Hellstrom on August 13, 2017 at 10:44 pm

     Kind of implied by every

     Kind of implied by every single other thing, no?  I guess I can start adding SP3 to the tags once there are more chipsets launched.

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       Anonymouse on August 16, 2017 at 10:24 am

       Speaking of a different kind
       Speaking of a different kind of Tag, HTML Tags, when you use the “ul” Tag and view the resulting Comment it converts the underlined words to words preceded by a C/R and a Tab (and not underlined, in Firefox).

       I too wish there were more SP3 (Epyc) Socket Motherboards and that the remaining Epyc CPUs were released. Sure would be a pain if despite the same size Socket the spacing of the screws were different. o_O

       PS: Thanks for this great Website.

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   BobOzMatics on August 13, 2017 at 3:43 pm

   More fins covering a larger
   More fins covering a larger area on the wet side of the waterblock/coldplate!

   “XSPC has announced their cooling solution for AMD’s TR4 socket Ryzen Threadripper CPUs. The Raystorm Neo Threadripper has a massive cold plate measuring 80 x 66.5 mm which is the largest of any CPU block announced for Threadripper so far. Accompanying this is a machined fin stack that covers all four dies- two active, two dummy- to where it also appears to be very optimized for the platform as well.”(1)

   (1)

   “XSPC Announces Raystorm Neo Threadripper CPU Water Block”

   techpowerup____/236085/xspc-announces-raystorm-neo-threadripper-cpu-water-block

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   quest4glory on August 13, 2017 at 9:51 pm

   Subjectively, these look “not
   Subjectively, these look “not so great.” I’m sure there are legitimate compatibility reasons / motherboard and socket design reasons as well, but this is a missed opportunity for a more “monoblock” look, which could be extended for a full monoblock on motherboards with the necessary VRM placement.

   I’ll hope for another vendor and/or revision 2.0.

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   Mohammad Saif on November 9, 2017 at 4:21 am

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   That information base article Supremacy EVO water blocks how to make it’s easier thank you guy.

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